A Conversation with Ben Everitt

A Conversation with Ben Everitt

Author: Samuel Stafford October 7, 2023 Duration: 50:30

The All-Party Parliamentary Group for the Housing Market & Housing Delivery is a cross-party group of MPs and Peers dedicated to improving the UK housing market. It has published a report called ‘Hacking housing: nine supply side hacks to fix our housing system error’ (link below) and the recommendations include changing the narrative around new development; a ‘grown-up conversation’ about Green Belt and incentivising LPAs to plan positively.

Most eye-catching though are these recommendations.

"Making planning sexy

  • Bring back the chief planner because going to work and designing communities that will last hundreds of years is actually a pretty cool job.
  • Sub-regional spatial strategies which is possibly the least sexy sounding document around, but genuinely one of the most useful – a framework for strategic development, unencumbered by the constraints faced by Local Plans.
  • More resources for planning teams, better paid planners because our planners are overworked, underpaid and unloved.
  • More routes into planning so that we can meet demand with conversion courses, apprenticeships, visas and prestigious degrees.
  • Whitehall shuffle: make the planning ministry sexy by elevating the role to cabinet level, having reporting lines from junior ministers in each government department, and placing the role in the Cabinet Office."

The Housing Market & Housing Delivery APPG is chaired by Ben Everitt who kindly gave up some of his time back in June this year to record a conversation with Sam Stafford.

Their conversation takes in many of the themes that underpin the report, as well as the role and standing of the planning profession, how Ben got into politics and Sam's old geography teacher…

Some accompanying reading.

‘Hacking housing: nine supply side hacks to fix our housing system error’

https://www.appghousing.org.uk/

Sam’s Green Belt blog

https://samuelstafford.blogspot.com/2023/05/the-green-belt-what-it-is-why-it-is.html

Some accompanying listening.

The Only Fools & Horses closing theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxOEhc960Bc

Some accompanying viewing

Jerry Springer’s Final Thought on British politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-90FGJFrW1U

50 Shades T-Shirts!

If you have listened to Episode 45 of the 50 Shades of Planning you will have heard Clive Betts say that...

'In the Netherlands planning is seen as part of the solution. In the UK, too often, planning is seen as part of the problem'.

Sam said in reply that that would look good on a t-shirt and it does. Further details can be found here: http://samuelstafford.blogspot.com/2021/07/50-shades-of-planning-t-shirts.html


Samuel Stafford hosts 50 Shades of Planning, a podcast that digs into the often perplexing world of the English planning system. Rather than offering dry policy lectures, these conversations embrace the sector's inherent complexities and occasional absurdities. The aim is to provide a wide-ranging view, bringing in diverse voices from across the fields of planning, property, design, and development. You'll hear from practitioners, thinkers, and critics, each sharing their unique experiences and perspectives on how places are shaped. A recurring series within the podcast, titled 'Hitting The High Notes', features in-depth discussions with leading figures, examining pivotal career moments and influential projects. These talks are structured around six key planning milestones, offering a concrete framework for understanding professional journeys and systemic challenges. By weaving together themes from government, business, arts, and social sciences, this podcast reveals how planning sits at a crowded intersection of politics, economics, and community life. Tune in for thoughtful, sometimes surprising, explorations of the forces that decide what gets built, where, and why.
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