Hitting the High Notes - Alice Lester

Hitting the High Notes - Alice Lester

Author: Samuel Stafford September 13, 2025 Duration: 1:00:46
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This is the fourteenth episode in Sam Stafford's Hitting the High Notes series.

If you have not listened to one of these before the basic proposition is that Sam chats to preeminent figures in the planning and property sectors about the six planning permissions or projects that helped to shape them as professionals. And, so that listeners can get to know people a little better personally, for every project or stage of their career Sam also asks his guests for a piece of music that reminds them of that period. Think of it as town planning’s equivalent of Desert Island Discs.

Unlike Desert Island Discs though you will not hear any of that music during the episode because using commercially-licensed music without the copyright holders permission or a very expensive PRS licensing agreement could land Sam in hot water, so, when you have finished listening, you will have to make do with YouTube videos and a Spotify playlist, links to which you will find below.

Sam's guest for this episode of Hitting The High Notes is Alice Lester who, planners might have read back in June 2025, is stepping down from her role as Corporate Director for Neighbourhoods & Regeneration at Brent Council.

In a conversation recorded at Soho Radio Studios at the end of July 2025, Alice takes Sam through her career to date. Alice talks about her early days in development control, rising through the ranks in Westminster and Camden; her decade or so at the Planning Advisory Service; her involvement with Wembley Park and encounters with Tony Pidgley; and her drive to make it easier for the people of Brent to build kitchen extensions...

Some accompanying listening.

Alice’s Spotify playlist

London Calling – The Clash

Love Is A Losing Game – Amy Winehouse

Freedom! 90 – George Michael

Shake It Off – Taylor Swift

(Sittin’ On) the Dock of the Bay – Otis Redding

Our House – Madness

Some accompanying reading.

Charles Goode’s Green Belt Book Launch and Discussion

Any other business.

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Samuel Stafford hosts 50 Shades of Planning, a podcast that digs into the often perplexing world of the English planning system. Rather than offering dry policy lectures, these conversations embrace the sector's inherent complexities and occasional absurdities. The aim is to provide a wide-ranging view, bringing in diverse voices from across the fields of planning, property, design, and development. You'll hear from practitioners, thinkers, and critics, each sharing their unique experiences and perspectives on how places are shaped. A recurring series within the podcast, titled 'Hitting The High Notes', features in-depth discussions with leading figures, examining pivotal career moments and influential projects. These talks are structured around six key planning milestones, offering a concrete framework for understanding professional journeys and systemic challenges. By weaving together themes from government, business, arts, and social sciences, this podcast reveals how planning sits at a crowded intersection of politics, economics, and community life. Tune in for thoughtful, sometimes surprising, explorations of the forces that decide what gets built, where, and why.
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