The YIMBY Crowd

The YIMBY Crowd

Author: Samuel Stafford September 21, 2024 Duration: 53:57

 "‘The moment has come’: pro-building Labour YIMBYs are set to raise the roof" was the title of a piece in the Observer ahead of the Labour Party Conference (link below).

For many of the most ambitious of the new cohort of Labour MPs, this is the fashionable campaign of the moment, not for economic growth but as a social justice movement – and one that many of the new millennials entering parliament hope to stake their careers on.

Inside Labour it is not a left-right divide, but some of its champions are prepared for it to mean internal party conflict between those who are radicalised on the housing crisis, and more nervous colleagues in rural or suburban seats won for the first time by Labour who might be tempted to retreat into nimbyism on local issues as a way of trying to keep their seats.

The point about first time Labour MPs retreating into NIMBYism is interesting in the context of the proposed changes to the standard method that is currently being consulted upon, but it was the point about YIMBYism not being a left-right divide inside Labour that Sam Stafford found most interesting because of a piece in the New Statesman back in April called ‘Not all YIMBYs are your friends - the pro-housing coalition is less united than it seems’ (link also below).

As it so happens, Sam approached the people quoted in the New Statesmen piece about recording a chat about the politics of housing and met four of them recently to do just that.

The four are John Myers, co-founder of the YIMBY Alliance; Robert Colville, columnist and Director of the Centre for Policy Studies; Jonn Elledge, journalist, author and fan of local government reorganisation; and Aydin Dikerdem, Cabinet Member for housing on the London Borough of Wandsworth.

They were going to talk about whether Kier Starmer’s self-declaration as a YIMBY marks the movements arrival into the political mainstream; whether the ends, more housing, is more important than the means; and who should get a say over what goes where and why. Some of that they did, but the remainder of the conversation, as Listeners will hear, goes off in all kinds of directions.

Some accompanying reading.

‘The moment has come’: pro-building Labour YIMBYs are set to raise the roof

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/15/the-moment-has-come-pro-building-labour-yimbys-are-set-to-raise-the-roof

Not all YIMBYs are your friends

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/04/no-not-every-yimby-your-mate-housing

All hail the ‘MIMBYs’: the open-minded voters who might just save Labour’s housing plans

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/05/labour-housing-plans-keir-starmer-houses

By Sam: YIMBYs and NIMBYs. Is planning becoming a new front in the culture war?

https://samuelstafford.blogspot.com/2021/06/yimbys-versus-nimbys-is-planning-new.html

By Aydin: The sky pool is a symbol of a greater housing scandal

https://www.huckmag.com/article/the-sky-pool-is-a-symbol-of-a-greater-housing-scandal

By Robert: The (not so) green belt — and why we should build on it (£)

https://www.thetimes.com/article/c7049594-3836-4563-ae4e-caa27eb5409e?shareToken=631cd93bdff30c14ac98a86bd21b483b

Some accompanying listening.

The In Crowd – Dobie Gray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOWO--z1S8A

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Samuel Stafford hosts 50 Shades of Planning, a podcast that digs into the often perplexing world of the English planning system. Rather than offering dry policy lectures, these conversations embrace the sector's inherent complexities and occasional absurdities. The aim is to provide a wide-ranging view, bringing in diverse voices from across the fields of planning, property, design, and development. You'll hear from practitioners, thinkers, and critics, each sharing their unique experiences and perspectives on how places are shaped. A recurring series within the podcast, titled 'Hitting The High Notes', features in-depth discussions with leading figures, examining pivotal career moments and influential projects. These talks are structured around six key planning milestones, offering a concrete framework for understanding professional journeys and systemic challenges. By weaving together themes from government, business, arts, and social sciences, this podcast reveals how planning sits at a crowded intersection of politics, economics, and community life. Tune in for thoughtful, sometimes surprising, explorations of the forces that decide what gets built, where, and why.
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