Episode 9: Framing the Gambler

Episode 9: Framing the Gambler

Author: Pushkin Industries January 14, 2025 Duration: 29:51

Michael Lewis gets a glimpse of sports gambling's future by talking with writers in Great Britain and Australia, where the industry is even more entrenched. But the US has its own peculiar history of failing to regulate dangerously addictive new products, and blaming the users instead. Especially when powerful industry advocates are able to pay scientists to sow doubt and delay the day of reckoning.

For further reading: 
Lying for Money: How Legendary Frauds Reveal the Workings of our World by Dan Davies

Crikey’s coverage on sports gambling in Australia: Punted

Patrick Radden Keefe’s Empire of Pain: The Story of the Sackler Family and Purdue Pharma

Merchants of Doubt by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


Fifteen years have passed since Michael Lewis published his defining work, Against the Rules: The Big Short Companion. In that time, the story of the 2008 financial crisis, first told in his best-selling book and later in an Oscar-winning film, has only grown more relevant. This audio companion, produced by Pushkin Industries, is not a simple retrospective. Instead, Lewis, joined by co-host Lidia Jean Kott, uses the anniversary as a starting point for a deeper investigation. They examine the enduring legacy of that seismic event-how its lessons were absorbed, ignored, or misunderstood in the worlds of business, culture, and even sports. Listeners are brought directly into conversations that feel both urgent and reflective, including Lewis catching up with the film's director, Adam McKay, and revisiting the real-life individuals whose stories fueled the original narrative. The result is a podcast that functions as a vital, living appendix to a modern classic, asking what we truly learned and how the rules of the game have-or haven't-changed since the house of cards came tumbling down. It’s an essential listen for anyone who wonders how the past continues to shape our present.
Author: Language: en-us Episodes: 110

Against the Rules with Michael Lewis
Podcast Episodes
Blockers: A New Audiobook from Michael Lewis [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:42
Exciting news! I have an all new book coming out on October 6th: BLOCKERS. You can pre-order your copy of the audiobook exclusively at blockers.fm. The hardcover is available at michaellewiswrites.com. A blocker is the w…
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Live with Nicolle Wallace [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:53
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Duration: 39:44
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Duration: 44:19
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How the Financial Crisis Broke Wall Street [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 34:25
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Lessons of the Great Depression [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 38:49
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Duration: 48:48
When Michael Lewis wrote The Big Short, there was an extra character in the story: The Federal Reserve System, the central bank of the US, which bought up bad debt on the balance sheets of big Wall Street banks and tradi…