What Happens When AIs Learn Politics and Deception?

What Happens When AIs Learn Politics and Deception?

Author: Wes Roth and Dylan Curious October 23, 2025 Duration: 1:21:34

In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the intersection of AI, games, and alignment with Alex Duffy, CEO of Good Start Labs. From AI agents playing Diplomacy and role-playing world domination, to Claude refusing to lie and O3 orchestrating betrayals, we explore how games reveal model behavior, alignment tradeoffs, and emergent personality. Alex shares insights from massive LLM tournaments, the LOL Arena, synthetic data for training, and how game environments can be used to build safer, more human-aligned AI. If you’re into storytelling, agentic AI, or the future of training models—this one’s unmissable.


Every week, Wes Roth and Dylan Curious sit down to untangle the rapid and often bewildering evolution of artificial intelligence. Their AI Pod is a direct line to the people creating the tools and theories that are reshaping society. You’ll hear candid conversations with the researchers, engineers, and entrepreneurs working on everything from practical robotics and synthetic biology to the philosophical questions surrounding superintelligence. Rather than just reporting the headlines, this podcast digs into the context behind them, exploring how today's experiments in autonomous systems or startup disruptions become tomorrow's everyday reality. The tone is curious and accessible, breaking down complex ideas without oversimplifying the profound implications. For anyone trying to make sense of where this technology is headed and who is steering it, tuning into this series feels like getting a thoughtful briefing from informed friends. It’s that blend of timely news analysis and deep-dive interviews that makes the AI Pod a consistent source for understanding the forces at the cutting edge.
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