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Author: Jevon Perra April 18, 2026 Duration: 51:01

Awake With Jevon: Discovering Guides That Point The Way

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Beginning the Discussion on Praying for Others: The group shifted topics to "A Course in Miracles," specifically "The Song of Prayer," and began reading the section "Praying for Others". The reading established that prayer is always for oneself, and prayer for others, when rightly understood, helps the individual release projections of guilt from their sibling. Jevon Perra noted that the idea of praying for others is sometimes approached with a "scarcity mentality," believing that giving prayer diminishes one's own benefit.
The Projection of Guilt and the Creation of Enemies: Jevon Perra discussed how the perception of an enemy is a self-creation, similar to the placebo effect, where one creates an experience of "enemy" instead of "friend". They shared a story of a town guru who was saddened by the death of the town's antagonist, stating the "a-hole" was their best friend and teacher for revealing the guru's remaining judgments. Jevon Perra concluded that the world is a projection, suggesting that sickness and wellness are experiences created from within.
The Fear of Annihilation and Cherishing Guilt: The conversation returned to the idea that people "cherish our guilt" because the world is projected from this guilt, which is tied to the fear of annihilation or the end of a separate, special self. Jevon Perra explained that wishing hell on another means that the state of wishing hell must come through oneself first, so freeing one's sibling also brings salvation to themself. Brian Genovese connected this to the ego-building competition often seen in churches regarding who has "saved" the most people.
Prayer and Vengeful God: Soo Kim read that the lowest forms of prayer are fueled by envy and malice, calling for vengeance, and asking upon a "vengeful God" who seems to answer them. Jevon Perra noted that those who are in hell can ask for help, but those who have accepted forgiveness could never make such a prayer. The group also discussed how religious systems often create a multi-level marketing scheme, where the highest levels of spiritual attainment are always just out of reach.
The Internal Source of Love and Experience: Denise Darlene emphasized that feelings of love, compassion, and kindness come through the individual, not from outside sources. Jevon Perra agreed that assigning an external source to determine one's love is the flaw in romantic notions. Denise Darlene used the analogy of a person smoking in front of a mirror and telling the reflection to quit, illustrating that the reflection (external reality) will not change until the person (internal state) changes first.
Self-Regulation and External Judgment: Soo Kim asked about the feeling of seeing someone else doing what one self-regulates against, such as having an emotional meltdown that derails a class discussion. Jevon Perra identified this as basic projection, where one's own unallowed behavior is projected onto others. Denise Darlene suggested Soo Kim research the Enneagram type one, the "reformer," to understand the patterns of the ego that limit their experience and struggles with justice.
The Enneagram and Temperament: Soo Kim acknowledged that their results on the Enneagram test had been inconsistent in the past, unlike their consistent Myers-Briggs results. Jevon Perra explained that the Enneagram identifies dominant "go-to" temperaments that are helpful for framing one's behavior without the heaviness of being identified *as* the anger. Jevon Perra further discussed three ways the "Course" can be used: as magic to get what is wanted, for personality development, and ultimately, to realize that one is "none of it".
The Value of the "Don't Know Mind": The conversation shifted to the importance of approaching life with an "innocent mind" and avoiding the assignment of meaning or judgment. Brian Genovese related this to the biblical story of Adam and Eve, who were innocent until they ate the apple, which represented the knowledge of judgment. Denise Darlene suggested the practice of being a "witness" to the "movie" of life, where everything is neutral until one places meaning upon it.
Innocence, Wonder, and Social Constructs: Denise Darlene spoke about the innocence and wonder of a baby's mind, which operates in a state of hypnosis and curiosity before being programmed by the world. Jevon Perra noted that societal constructs force people to adhere to predetermined agreements to be "a little bit miserable" all the time, preventing expressions of love and joy with strangers. Soo Kim related the concept of the "don't know mind" to the relief experienced during travel or intense practices like Bufo, which cause temporary identity loss.
The Ego's Security and the Invitation to Trust: Denise Darlene stated that the ego bases its security on the belief that it knows, and acknowledging "I don't know" raises the fear of the unknown. This fear of the unknown is described as an invitation to trust and merge with the "I am". Soo Kim recounted a negative classroom experience of a classmate screaming and accusing others of racism, which Denise Darlene reframed as potentially the "best thing for them to do" as a teacher, setting up a lesson.
Experiences of Childhood Conditioning and Attachment: Denise Darlene recounted an experience with a 70-year-old participant in their women's spiritual group who had a difficult childhood, which included a cruel mother and an attempted killing by their father at age three. This individual, who is an atheist, had never trusted anyone and believed that opening up for a friendship would inevitably lead to loss, resulting in non-attachment to any human or animal. Denise Darlene contrasted this with their own similar experience that led them toward love, suggesting that they both required the specific teachers they had, possibly chosen before birth, for their soul's mission.
The Metaphorical Story of the Angel and Forgiveness: Jevon Perra shared an incomplete story about two angels, one of whom wanted to experience forgiveness. The story outlines that in order to experience forgiveness, one must have something to forgive, which requires the cooperation of a second angel who must commit an act worthy of forgiveness. The second angel agrees to play this necessary role, but the first angel is cautioned that the second angel will forget they are an angel and that the first angel must remember that the second angel is a friend and an angel there to love them.
Alternative Perspective on Adversity and Roles: The story’s gist is that people, including those perceived as "assholes" or attackers, are playing a crucial role by accepting a large personal cost to provide others with a necessary experience. Denise Darlene agreed that this perspective is sacrificial and supported the idea of adopting perspectives that are empowering rather than limiting, regardless of their literal truth. They suggested that these alternative viewpoints allow for a happier or better experience concerning the idea of love.

Awake With Jevon: Discovering Guides That Point The Way

In Awake With Jevon: Discovering Guides That Point The Way, host Jevon Perra engages in a series of searching conversations with individuals who have navigated profound personal transformations. This podcast explores the multifaceted journey toward what many traditions term Awakening or Enlightenment, moving beyond abstract theory to focus on tangible, lived experience. Each episode introduces you to a different guide-teachers, healers, and everyday practitioners-who share the raw details of their own paths through physical ailments, emotional turmoil, mental challenges, and spiritual seeking. Jevon’s approach is grounded and curious, drawing out not just the philosophies but the practical steps and personal stories behind each guest’s healing. You’ll hear discussions that intersect fitness, health, societal structures, and alternative spirituality, reflecting a holistic view of human potential. The aim is to illuminate the diverse routes available for those feeling a similar pull, offering relatable narratives and insights that listeners can reflect upon in their own lives. It’s a space for deep listening and discovery, where each conversation in this podcast serves as a potential waypoint for your own exploration of a more integrated and awakened existence.

Author: Jevon Perra Language: en-us Episodes: 100

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