Most Bitcoin treasury companies talk about holding. Sam Callahan says the ones worth watching are playing offense.
Jordan and Wyatt sit down with Sam Callahan, Director of Bitcoin Strategy and Research at OrangeBTC, to get his take on why the offensive treasury model beats the defensive one, what it actually looks like to raise capital in a market three years behind the US, and why every bull vs. bear debate eventually comes down to one question.
Sam breaks down his own journey from sports physical therapist to prolific Bitcoin researcher, why proof of work is still the best way to break into the industry, and what building the Bitcoin Canon at Swan taught him about how deep the rabbit hole actually goes. Jordan and Wyatt get into the mechanics of Bitcoin treasury companies, why scale and liquidity are the only real moats, and how OrangeBTC pulled off the first Bitcoin-backed institutional loan in Latin America with the largest bank on the continent.
We close out with Sam's honest take on the Coffeezilla and Jeff Walton debate, why critics of the treasury model are really just bearish on Bitcoin, and where to find his research if you want to go deeper.
Chapters [00:00] Intro [05:03] How Sam Found Bitcoin [10:43] From Physical Therapy to Bitcoin Research [14:01] Writing as Proof of Work [24:28] Current Role and OrangeBTC [30:50] Does Bitcoin Get You a Girlfriend [33:23] What Is a Bitcoin Treasury Company [36:04] Offensive vs. Defensive Treasury Strategy [39:26] Proof of Reserves and Transparency [43:12] Institutional Adoption and Bitcoin Education in Brazil [48:17] Geopolitical Context and Bitcoin's Role [51:14] The First Institutional Bitcoin Loan in Latin America [55:17] Why Sam Is Bullish in 2026 [01:05:48] Breaking Down the Coffeezilla Debate [01:13:07] Where to Find Sam
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