Gaza and Israel After Phase One — with David Makovsky

Gaza and Israel After Phase One — with David Makovsky

Author: Boundless Israel, Inc. November 24, 2025 Duration: 45:15

Middle East analyst David Makovsky joins Dr. Rachel Fish to unpack the “phase one to phase two” handoff in Gaza: what the Trump plan actually changed, why returning the remaining hostages bodies still matters, and why an international stabilization force is unlikely to disarm Hamas. 

Makovsky outlines a de-Hamas future for Gaza built on a West-Berlin model that pairs PA-Israel security coordination with technocratic Palestinian governance, while Arab states provide funding and public cover. They also map the Saudi calculus on normalization, the risks of delay, and how Israel’s coming election could reshape U.S.–Israel ties, regional alignments, and Israel’s democratic character.

Further Reading

David Makovsky and Shira Efron, For Progress in Gaza, Empower the Palestinian Authority


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