238: Cidermaking Chemistry | Pt 3

238: Cidermaking Chemistry | Pt 3

Author: Ria Windcaller: Award-winning Cidermaker, Podcaster | Craft Beer Columnist September 9, 2020 Duration: 26:29

This is Part 3 featuring chemistry safety tips for cidermakers!

Cidermaking Part 3 | Chem

Part 1 - How to Make Cider at home, provides a recipe for making a 1 gallon jug of cider

Part 2 - Makers Tips for Growth and Cleanliness was the first part of a conversation with the Cider Team at Stormalong Cider in Leominster, Massachusetts.

Stormalong Head Cidermaker, Ben Robert-Sano begins with an overview of these 3 components to and then  Stormalong Operations Manager Bright McConnell discusses recommended sanitizers to use in cidermaking.

[caption id="attachment_5428" align="aligncenter" width="300"]episode 237 Shannon, Bright, and Ben of Stormalong, MA Shannon, Bright, and Ben of Stormalong, MA[/caption]

In Part 3 we continue our conversation focusing on

  • Caustic chemicals to use
  • Managing chemicals
  • Acids

Chemicals

Caustics

For cleaning fermentation soils, I recommend gluconated caustic at 1%, or PBW for those of you with aluminum parts. These are dangerous chemicals so wear a dust mask(pbw ) , long gloves and eye goggles when working with the chemicals

  • Cleaning chemicals are most dangerous before dilution, so don't spill.
  • Even a few drips of pure caustic will take gallons of water to wash off , and the residue can transfer, say from your shoes to your hands.

Take extra care when handling chemical concentrates and keep a gallon of white vinegar (or hard cider) and a box of baking soda handy for neutralizing, should it get on your skin or clothing.1-1.5 oz per gallon

Acids

Cleaning also kills bacteria which live in biofilms. In order to maximize this kill, Ben recommends:

  • treating hard water buildup
  • rejuvenate the surface of your stainless steel parts with occasional acid cleaning
  • use strong citric, or Methanesulfonic acid for acid cleaning.
  • nitric/ phosphoric are also effective, but have more environmental impact if on a septic sysytem
    • 1-1.5 oz per gallon

Sanitizers

For sanitizing the Stormalong Cider team recommends:

  • Iodophor.
    • It is easy to see when it is active.
    • It is effective, requires no rinse, and has minimal flavor impact when properly diluted
    • DO NOT USE STAR SAN it is not an EPA registered cleaner. The Five Star brand makes an iodophor if you prefer their products.

Use 1 ounce of Iodophor per 5 gallons, not 1 oz per gallon like the other cleaners

CAUTION:

Idophor can cause blindness if it contacts your eye. Wear glasses when used.

PAA, Sulfites, and CL02 are very effective but are only to be used by commercial scale cideries. spraying or handling these chemicals can cause immediate respiratory or eye damage if used incorrectly. You should always dose these chemicals directly into water, never remove the concentrates from the barrel using a drum pump.

Dousatron - for eye dousing set ups in production facility.

Mentions in this Chat

Contact info for Stormalong

Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.


There’s a whole world in a glass of cider, and Cider Chat is your invitation to explore it. Hosted by award-winning cidermaker and writer Ria Windcaller, this podcast travels far beyond the bottle to meet the people who make the global cider culture so vibrant. Each conversation is a journey-you might find yourself in a heritage orchard learning the history of forgotten apple varieties, in a bustling taproom with an importer explaining regional traditions, or in a kitchen with a chef pairing cider with unexpected foods. The discussions get into the delightful nuances, too, whether that’s the semantics of what we even call this drink or how the concept of terroir translates from soil to sip. It’s not just about production; it’s about the community, the travel, and the stories that fermentation unlocks. This is for anyone curious about the craft, history, and sheer enjoyment of fermented apple juice in all its forms. So, pour a glass and settle in for a series that feels like a wide-ranging, informative, and genuinely good-humored chat with friends who happen to be obsessed with cider. You’ll come away with a deeper appreciation for every effervescent, tart, or sweet sip, hearing directly from the growers, makers, and enthusiasts who are shaping this drink’s exciting present and future.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 501

Cider Chat
Podcast Episodes
209: CiderCon2020 Insider Tips [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 42:25
The 10th Annual American Cider Association trade conference CiderCon will be held in Oakland California, January 28th through to January 31, 2020. This episode provides an overview on the following topics: Oakland weathe…
208: Calvados and Apple Brandy Tasting [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:08:15
The tables are set with 6 stemmed glasses per person, each holding a tasting of Calvados or American Apple Brandy. There are over 60 settings. It is a sold out night. At 6:30 pm, the house lights are lowered and it is re…
207: Redfield Cider Bar and Bottle Shop | Oakland, CA [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 56:27
Redfield Cider Bar and Bottle Shop is located in the Rockridge neighborhood of Oakland California. Owners Olivia Maki and Mike Reis opened the doors to patrons in January of 2019. Olivia Maki and Mike Reis of Redfield Ci…
206: Oakland's Crooked City Cider | CA [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 41:24
Crooked City Cider Tap House is located in the Jack London Square area of Oakland California. A mere stone's throw away in the Square you can take the fast speed ferry to San Francisco and other nearby ferry hops, making…
205: City Cidermakers at Duckchicken | London [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:01:01
Duckchicken makers Colleen O'Sullivan and James Mann are based in South London. Colleen is a certified Arborist and works as a Tree Officer in London and James works in "Knowledge" at a law office in London. Duckchickens…
204: Steve Selin |South Hill Cider, NY [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:34
Every Tuesday, when Steve was growing up, his Dad would be out that evening drinking cider with friends at the Cider Cellar, at the farm outside of Buffalo. That memory is his first on cider. Years later this professiona…
203: The Business of Cider | FLX Cider House, NY [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:01:11
Good Life Farm was started in 2008. On this same spot of land overlooking Cayuga Lake after the barn was built, the Finger Lakes Cider House opened 6 years later in 2014. Both the farm and the Tasting Room and Cidery wer…
202: Walkabout at Redbyrd Orchard | NY [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:02:28
"Everything about cider started for me in this old orchard, up the road." Says Eric. That abandoned orchard which first inspired Eric isn't there anymore, but he recalls the wild seedling trees that were growing in the h…
201: Ian Merwin PhD | Black Diamond Cider, NY [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 58:58
Where does a Cornell University Pomologist do upon retirement? They start a cidery, of course! Ian Merwin says, founding Black Diamond Cider, in Trumansburg, New York is his 4th career. He has lived in California, Chile,…
200 Cheers for #ciderGoingUP [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 58:50
#ciderGoingUP is a favored hashtag that I have been using since the first year of this podcast, so it was a natural title for this milestone episode number 200. Some podcasters pod fade (end their shows quietly and never…