239: Scrub-a-Dub Valves & Vessels

239: Scrub-a-Dub Valves & Vessels

Author: Ria Windcaller: Award-winning Cidermaker, Podcaster | Craft Beer Columnist September 16, 2020 Duration: 43:25

Cleaning considerations for 3 different cider operations - DYI, Farm Winery and Production with Stormalong Cider.

ep 239 Stormalong Cider Tream

(l-r) Ben Roberts-Sano, Bright McConnell, Shannon Edgar

DIY - Home Cidermaking

 It is soak and scrub for the DIYers.

Soak

  • carboys
  • parts
  • nylon bags
  • airlocks
  • all threaded parts

Rinse with copious amounts of water thoroughly and sanitize. Boil with hot water, if possible.

Drainage and setup are a major consideration

  • Due to the common lack of pumps/ floor drains.
  • Effluent should not affect your septic, if you brew a batch or 2 per year.

Biggest maker hang ups

  • Using low quality materials which can't stand the cleaning
  • Not scrubbing enough
  • Not disassembling/boiling threaded or other  non sanitary parts

Farm winery set up

  • Have some sort of floor drain, and some sort of pump capable of driving a spray ball.
  • Rinse by pumping into a spray ball
  • Drain to floor when rinsing tanks
  • Always pump the water from a fully clean and neutralized tank, to the tank being cleaned
  • Spray gross soils in the tanks out before starting to clean
  • Tanks must be vented during cleaning, and all parts should be removed. Any areas under manways or probes that might obstruct the spray must manually be scrubbed.
  • Take off and clean manway gaskets, and ensure sight lines are cleaned
  • Clean and sanitize throughly racking arms and carb stones for best results

Biggest hangups for Farm Winery

  • Not Enough hot water
  • Not having adequate drainage and wastewater handling

Some small cideries with no wastewater handling will skip all of this in lieu of a steam or hot water pressure washer. They spray the tanks to remove soils, then partially close them up and allow the metal to reach 170-180 degrees to sanitize, then purge out any air with nitrogen argon or CO2.

Commercial scale Set Up

  • Automation and verification, regular inspection and replacement of parts
  • Rubber parts and hoses that become cracked can no longer be adequately cleaned and must be thrown out. Even steel parts can become too scratched to be cleaned properly.
  • Chemicals are tested for potency to determine if they are depleted by cleaning, and to insure adequate rinsing
  • The inside of the tank may be tested for microbial action by plating or ATP test

Commercial Plants at this scale invest in better

  • Jet or rotating spray balls
  • Dedicated cleaning tanks / pumps, caustic recovery, re heat, and re use
  • More, and hotter water for cleaning

To sanitize commercial cider makers may use plant steam/  PAA with a dosatron or CLO2 to kill remaining microbes

Biggest hang ups for Commercial operators

  • Not inspecting enough
  • Not rinsing enough
  • Trying to be too efficient 

Mentions in this Chat

Contact info for Stormalong

Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts.


There’s a whole world in a glass of cider, and Cider Chat is your invitation to explore it. Hosted by award-winning cidermaker and writer Ria Windcaller, this podcast travels far beyond the bottle to meet the people who make the global cider culture so vibrant. Each conversation is a journey-you might find yourself in a heritage orchard learning the history of forgotten apple varieties, in a bustling taproom with an importer explaining regional traditions, or in a kitchen with a chef pairing cider with unexpected foods. The discussions get into the delightful nuances, too, whether that’s the semantics of what we even call this drink or how the concept of terroir translates from soil to sip. It’s not just about production; it’s about the community, the travel, and the stories that fermentation unlocks. This is for anyone curious about the craft, history, and sheer enjoyment of fermented apple juice in all its forms. So, pour a glass and settle in for a series that feels like a wide-ranging, informative, and genuinely good-humored chat with friends who happen to be obsessed with cider. You’ll come away with a deeper appreciation for every effervescent, tart, or sweet sip, hearing directly from the growers, makers, and enthusiasts who are shaping this drink’s exciting present and future.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 501

Cider Chat
Podcast Episodes
288: Spacetime Mead & Cider Works | Pennsylvania [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:08:38
Who is Spacetime Mead & Cider Works Dan Schreffler had been home brewing and fermenting for many years before opening Spacetime Mead & Cider Works in 2018. He is a self proclaimed science nerd, which is part of the reaso…
287: Elizabeth Ryan | Hudson Valley Farmhouse Cider, NY [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 53:33
"Every hand that touches the apple has a story to tell." Who is Elizabeth Ryan? She is the founder of Hudson Valley Farmhouse Cider, but that is only part of the story. At heart she is a farmer having grown up in Iowa on…
286: A Living Language for Cider [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:14:09
The quest to find the Language of Cider Richie Brady is a graduate of the Wine & Spirit Education Trust (WSET) who also happens to have a love of cider. This scholarly Irishman used his shelter in place time during Covid…
285: Cider Chat | Cider's Media Part 4 [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 58:38
Who is Cider Chat? In Part 4 of this series on Cider's Media it is time to talk about Cider Chat - the podcast that is hosting this series! As you listen to this episode you will hear Ria discussing and reading from her…
284: Cider Scene | Cider's Media Pt3 [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:54
Who is Cider Scene? Identical twins Trevor and Nolan O'Malley launched Cider Scene in 2016. They describe it as not quite a publication, but more of a "focused blog", marketing company, and a little bit of a publication.…
283: Cidercraft Magazine | Who is Cider's Media Part 2 [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:41
Who is Cidercraft Magazine Cidercraft Magazine was launched in 2014 and provides a wide array of articles on the topic of cider. Kristin Ackerman Bacon the Founder of Cidercraft is not a newbie to the publishing world ha…
282: Cider Culture | Who is Cider's Media Pt 1 [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 41:33
Who is Cider Culture Mary Bigham Owner and Publisher of Dishworks LLC, founded Cider Culture in 2014 which is an online publication that has weekly cider news post for newbie cider fans to commercial makers. Mary is a Pe…
281: Cider Fueled Road Trip to NY and PA [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:05:23
Cider Fueled Road Trip Day 1 This episode begins on a road trip to New York state, specifically the west side of the Hudson River to Stone Ridge Orchards one of the three farms that is under the umbrella of Hudson Valley…
280: The Cidermaker's Fuzzy Slippers [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 37:50
Grab the slippers, the house is on fire! In February of 2021, Nicole and Felix Todd had a chimney fire at the their home and the damage done made it unlivable. Having a fire even in the best of times is an ordeal, but du…
279: Apology to the Billionaire Cidermaker [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 37:57
An Apology? By a Cider Judge Busted! I am the cider judge who has been holding onto a memory from nearly 20 years ago. At that time there were very few commercial makers of cider and in turn there were very few entries i…