415: Cider Hybrids |Cider Nothings or Cider Somethings?

415: Cider Hybrids |Cider Nothings or Cider Somethings?

Author: Ria Windcaller: Award-winning Cidermaker, Podcaster | Craft Beer Columnist May 29, 2024 Duration: 1:00:33

What exactly are Cider Hybrids

Exploring Cider Hybrids and Co-ferments as recored at a panel discussion at CiderCon 2024. The terminology for this category is still developing, reflecting the innovative and experimental nature of these beverages. As producers continue to explore and create unique blends and co-ferments, the language will evolve to better capture the diversity and creativity inherent in these new cider expressions.

In this episode of Cider Chat

Delve into the innovative and creative world of cider hybrids and co-ferments with a panel of expert cider makers from around the globe to discuss the nuances, challenges, and joys of creating these unique beverages. 

The discussion opens with a brief introduction to the panelists:

  • Christine Hardy – Co-owner and cider maker at Riley's Cidery on Bowen Island, BC, and board member of the Cider Institute of North America.
  • Tom Oliver – Cider and Perry maker at Oliver's Cider and Perry in Herefordshire, England.
  • Ryan Burk – Owner and cider maker at Occam Cider.
  • Johan Sjöstedt – Founder and cider maker at Pomologik in Sweden.
  • Kathleen Cherry – Winemaker and co-owner of Calche Wine Cooperative in Vermont.
  • Tariq – Cider maker at Revel Cider in Ontario, Canada.
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(ltor) Tariq Ahmed, Kathline Chery, Johan Sjöstedt, Ryan Burk, Tom Oliver

Panelist Questions on the topic of Cider Hybrids

  • Defining Cider Hybrids and Co-ferments:
  • Challenges and Regulatory Issues in this category
  • Innovative Ingredients and Techniques
  • Marketing and Consumer Perception
  • Advice for Aspiring Cider Makers
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Mentions in this Cider Chat


There’s a whole world in a glass of cider, and Cider Chat is your invitation to explore it. Hosted by award-winning cidermaker and writer Ria Windcaller, this podcast travels far beyond the bottle to meet the people who make the global cider culture so vibrant. Each conversation is a journey-you might find yourself in a heritage orchard learning the history of forgotten apple varieties, in a bustling taproom with an importer explaining regional traditions, or in a kitchen with a chef pairing cider with unexpected foods. The discussions get into the delightful nuances, too, whether that’s the semantics of what we even call this drink or how the concept of terroir translates from soil to sip. It’s not just about production; it’s about the community, the travel, and the stories that fermentation unlocks. This is for anyone curious about the craft, history, and sheer enjoyment of fermented apple juice in all its forms. So, pour a glass and settle in for a series that feels like a wide-ranging, informative, and genuinely good-humored chat with friends who happen to be obsessed with cider. You’ll come away with a deeper appreciation for every effervescent, tart, or sweet sip, hearing directly from the growers, makers, and enthusiasts who are shaping this drink’s exciting present and future.
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