The First Rule of "DeProgram" Is Don't Talk About Ex-Co-Hosts

The First Rule of "DeProgram" Is Don't Talk About Ex-Co-Hosts

Author: Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas September 2, 2026 Duration: 58:18

Ted Rall, Jamarl Thomas, and producer Robby West host an unscripted Q&A, discussing a viral clip about former co-host John Kiriakou’s abrupt departure for CAA, which they describe as transactional rather than personal. They cover immigration enforcement, Pete Hegseth’s fitness as Defense Secretary, Ukraine’s strategy and civilian threats, evangelical end-times theology versus a plain reading of Revelation, false rape accusations and Gen Z dating fears, political theater under Trump, and the value of debate across ideological lines. They close by emphasizing courtesy, honesty, and moving on from old show drama.


DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall is a hard-hitting news podcast that cuts through spin, propaganda, and partisan talking points. Hosted by CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou and political cartoonist Ted Rall, it challenges official narratives on the latest domestic and international stories, helping you see how power really works. Drawing on John Kiriakou's real-world undercover experience inside the CIA and around the globe, along with Ted Rall's sharp political insight, each episode breaks down headlines to reveal the raw truth you need to know. Expect uncompromising analysis, uncomfortable facts, and context you will not get from mainstream outlets. When you listen episodes, you will come away more informed, more skeptical, and better equipped to understand the forces shaping our world.
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