Episode 23: Lust

Episode 23: Lust

Author: Exodus 90 June 3, 2025 Duration: 12:33

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the Desert Fathers' insights on lust, drawing from Abba Poemen’s counsel to a brother wrestling with lust and anger. We explore how the Fathers understood lust (porneia) as distinct from eros, emphasizing its self-centered nature and its opposition to true freedom in Christ. The discussion challenges modern cultural myths about sexual liberation and situates Christian teachings on sexuality within a broader vision of virtue and human flourishing.

Key Quotes

  • Abba Poemen: “On account of this David said, ‘I smote the lion, I strangled the bear,’ which is to say, I cut off anger and by labours I squeezed the life out of lust.”
  • Abba Poemen: “You cannot live according to God if you are a lover of pleasure and a lover of money.”
  • Dorothy L. Sayers (1941, The Other Six Deadly Sins): “Perhaps the bitterest commentary on the way in which Christian doctrine has been taught in the last few centuries is the fact that to the majority of people the word ‘immorality’ has come to mean one thing and one thing only.”

Discussion Points

  1. Christian Teaching on Sexuality: Christian moral doctrine focuses on thriving, dignity, and freedom in Christ, not merely restriction. The Desert Fathers help reframe sexuality within this holistic vision.
  2. Lust vs. Eros: The Fathers used porneia to describe lust, a self-focused desire akin to prostitution, contrasting it with eros, which seeks mutual connection. Lust isolates, while eros yearns for another.
  3. Cultural Narratives: Modern culture often views lust as liberating, but the Fathers saw it as blinding, locking individuals in self-centeredness. Has “sexual liberation” truly freed us?
  4. Lust’s Deeper Roots: Poemen links lust to anger, suggesting it may reflect deeper passions like rage or greed. This perspective sheds light on societal issues like sexual abuse and manipulation.
  5. Transcendence and Meaning: In a secular age, sex is often a substitute for transcendence. The Fathers invite us to redirect desire toward God, fostering true freedom over fleeting pleasure.

Reflection Questions

  • How do cultural views of lust as “freedom” shape our understanding of intimacy?
  • What might underlying emotions like anger reveal about struggles with lust?
  • How can the Desert Fathers’ wisdom help us live out a balanced Christian approach to sexuality?

Further Reading

  • Bishop Erik Varden, Chastity: Reconciliation of the Senses
  • Dorothy L. Sayers, The Other Six Deadly Sins (1941, Public Morality Council address).
  • The Sayings of the Desert Fathers, focusing on Abba Poemen’s teachings.
  • The Book of Job, for reflections on embodied desire for God.

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