390: Building Design Infrastructure ft. Kathryn Gonzalez

390: Building Design Infrastructure ft. Kathryn Gonzalez

Author: Brian Lovin, Marshall Bock March 24, 2021 Duration: 41:39

This week, we catch up with Kathryn Gonzalez, the Head of Design Infrastructure at DoorDash. We talk about building DoorDash’s first design system, how to scale a design systems team, balancing technical and design skills, how to become a better systems designer by learning outside of work, and much more.

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This week, we have an interview! We caught up with Kathryn Gonzalez, the Head of Design Infrastructure at DoorDash. We talk about her experience building DoorDash’s design system from scratch, working as a technical designer, hiring for design systems roles, and much more.

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