Could AI End Human QA?

Could AI End Human QA?

Author: Bret Fisher July 29, 2025 Duration: 54:59

Bret is joined by Andrew Tunall, the President and Chief Product Officer at Embrace, to discuss his prediction that we’ll all start shipping non-QA'd code (buggier code in production) and QA will need to be replaced with better observability.

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If AI causes us to ship more code, we’ll need more testing and QA. It’s unlikely that orgs will want to add staff just so they can use AI, so what’s the solution? Would we start relying more on production observability to detect code issues that affect user experience?

Embrace is a mobile observability platform company that I first met at KubeCon London this year. Their pitch was that mobile apps were ready for the full observability stack and that we now have SDKs to let mobile dev teams integrate with the same tools that we platform engineers and DevOps people and operators have been building and enjoying for years now. I wanted to hear from observability experts on how they think this is all going to shake out.

★Show Links★
Embrace website
Embrace GitHub repository
Embrace docs

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  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (03:00) - AI in QA and Software Development
  • (07:25) - Challenges and Cultural Shifts in AI-Driven Development
  • (20:07) - Real-World Examples and Observations
  • (26:41) - Future of AI in Software Engineering
  • (27:29) - Building Reliable Software
  • (28:19) - Tools and Strategies for Measuring Reliability
  • (29:19) - Importance of Observability
  • (36:32) - Enhancing Mobile App Observability
  • (43:21) - Changing Behaviors in Observability

Bret Fisher hosts DevOps and Docker Talk: Cloud Native Interviews and Tooling alongside Nirmal Mehta, pulling conversations directly from their live audience sessions. This isn't a theoretical lecture series; it's grounded in the practical, often messy realities of building and running modern systems. Each episode digs into the specific tools and philosophies shaping infrastructure today, from the foundational elements like Docker and container orchestration with Kubernetes or Swarm to the broader cultural shifts of DevOps, SRE, and platform engineering. You'll hear discussions that span the entire software lifecycle, touching on the integration of security with DevSecOps, the automation promises of GitOps, and what "Cloud Native" truly means for development teams. The dialogue stays focused on actionable insights and real-world use cases, offering a genuine sense of what works and what doesn't in the field. For anyone navigating the container and cloud ecosystem, this podcast serves as a regular, insightful check-in with practitioners and experts, hosted by someone deeply embedded in the community. The natural, interview-driven format makes complex topics accessible, ensuring listeners come away with more than just buzzwords-they get context and clarity.
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