The Second Derivative

The Second Derivative

Author: Jacob Shapiro & Marko Papic June 1, 2026 Duration: 1:33:29

The Strait of Hormuz is running out of runway - and so is the Trump administration's room to maneuver... The cousins unpack why oil inventories are the real ammunition in the Iran standoff, why markets keep hitting all-time highs despite closed shipping lanes, and what the AI economy's dominance says about the K-shaped world underneath. We close with NBA playoff predictions (duh) ahead of a Thunder-Spurs Game 7.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) - Welcome

(00:28) - Weekend Hoops and Aging

(02:09) - Travel Grind and Vivid Dream

(04:23) - Tales From the Road Idea

(05:18) - Iran Deal or No Deal

(08:47) - Strait Tolls and Mixed Signals

(11:20) - Gas Prices and $250 Bill Bit

(13:59) - Communist Relics and Inflation Fears

(18:16) - Why Markets Hit Highs

(19:21) - Politics Versus Material Reality

(27:54) - AI Boom Meets K Economy

(32:15) - Fading Geopolitical Risk

(40:34) - Second Derivative Thinking

(47:02) - Savings Rate Double Click

(48:46) - Savings Rate Psychology

(51:09) - YOLO Trading Era

(53:57) - Savings Floor Risks

(55:46) - Summer Oil Squeeze

(56:57) - Sticky Inflation Drivers

(58:30) - Politics And The Fed

(01:00:15) - Markets And War Signals

(01:02:13) - Reflexivity In Geopolitics

(01:06:17) - Nihilism And Truth

(01:07:17) - Quick Hits USMCA Update

(01:12:12) - Moon Race Concerns

(01:15:35) - AI Data Centers In Space

(01:17:43) - World Cup Preview

(01:20:09) - Why World Cup Is Hard

(01:25:31) - Game Seven Predictions

(01:28:43) - LeBron Comparison Debate

(01:32:28) - Final Spurs Call

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Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com

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Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world.

Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com

Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416

Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap

Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe

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Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future.

Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic

Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/

Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic

Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro


There’s a certain kind of conversation that happens when two deeply knowledgeable friends, who also happen to be professional geopolitical analysts, get together without a script. That’s the space Geopolitical Cousins occupies. Hosts Jacob Shapiro and Marko Papic bring their distinct perspectives-often aligned, sometimes clashing-to dissect the forces shaping our world, from market-moving policies to underlying cultural shifts. You won’t find dry, academic lectures here. Instead, each episode feels like you’re overhearing a lively, sometimes comedic debate between two cousins at a family gathering, if that family was obsessed with the intersection of power, philosophy, and investment. The analysis is rigorous and in-depth, yet delivered with a relatable ease that can pivot from a serious interview with an expert to an off-the-wall observation about societal quirks. This podcast digs into the "why" behind the headlines, exploring how business, culture, and human nature collide on the global stage. By weaving together categories that are often kept separate-society, investing, comedy, philosophy-Shapiro and Papic create a uniquely holistic listen. Tune in for a perspective that is as intellectually substantial as it is unpredictably engaging.
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