The Serfs Will Have Drones

The Serfs Will Have Drones

Author: Jacob Shapiro & Marko Papic June 22, 2026 Duration: 1:36:47

Cousins hits the road for its first-ever in-person episode, recorded at Matt Gertken's home in Taos, New Mexico! Jacob, Marko, and Matt dig into the brewing standoff between Anthropic and the US government over export controls on its Mythos AI model, then zoom out to ask whether AI marks a civilizational rupture on par with industrialization itself - pitting the state, corporations, and "free-for-all" chaos against each other for control. They pivot to the Iran-Israel-US "hate triangle," the Strait of Hormuz, and what a fragile peace means for Gulf states and China. They close out with hot takes on the Knicks' title run and the World Cup.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) - Welcome to Taos IRL

(01:30) - House History and Taos Lore

(02:25) - War Returns and Pivot Myth

(03:15) - Anthropic vs US Crackdown

(06:57) - AI as New Means of Production

(10:44) - Kids Screens and Ideology

(13:39) - Can States Control AI

(16:35) - Dystopias State vs Corp

(23:20) - Western Messiness vs Rule of Law

(30:51) - Tech Barons and Backlash Politics

(33:45) - Data Centers and Populist Response

(35:37) - Bull Moose Antitrust Populism

(37:10) - China Infrastructure Social Fabric

(38:29) - Boom Bust Capex Cycles

(41:23) - Universities Under Pressure

(43:12) - How Campuses Handle AI

(46:32) - Elitism Versus Access

(50:19) - Iran Endgame Framework

(51:27) - Hormuz Kinetic Equilibrium

(56:34) - US Resolve And Deterrence

(59:13) - Who Wins Middle East

(01:07:54) - China As Stabilizer

(01:09:59) - China Bonds And Stagnation

(01:10:58) - No Rival No Resolve

(01:12:40) - Oil Reserves And Populism

(01:15:32) - China The Adult Debate

(01:16:36) - Empire Model And Global South

(01:21:11) -Will Power Corrupt China

(01:23:36) - NBA Finals And Ticket Madness

(01:27:09) - AI Makes Live Sports Pricier

(01:29:53) - Basketball As Geopolitics

(01:34:01) - World Cup Cohesion Forecast

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Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com

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Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world.

Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com

Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416

Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap

Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe

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Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future.

Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic

Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/

Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic

Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro


There’s a certain kind of conversation that happens when two deeply knowledgeable friends, who also happen to be professional geopolitical analysts, get together without a script. That’s the space Geopolitical Cousins occupies. Hosts Jacob Shapiro and Marko Papic bring their distinct perspectives-often aligned, sometimes clashing-to dissect the forces shaping our world, from market-moving policies to underlying cultural shifts. You won’t find dry, academic lectures here. Instead, each episode feels like you’re overhearing a lively, sometimes comedic debate between two cousins at a family gathering, if that family was obsessed with the intersection of power, philosophy, and investment. The analysis is rigorous and in-depth, yet delivered with a relatable ease that can pivot from a serious interview with an expert to an off-the-wall observation about societal quirks. This podcast digs into the "why" behind the headlines, exploring how business, culture, and human nature collide on the global stage. By weaving together categories that are often kept separate-society, investing, comedy, philosophy-Shapiro and Papic create a uniquely holistic listen. Tune in for a perspective that is as intellectually substantial as it is unpredictably engaging.
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