Allowing Patients to Die: Louise Aronson and Bill Andereck

Allowing Patients to Die: Louise Aronson and Bill Andereck

Author: Alex Smith, Eric Widera September 5, 2024 Duration: 49:03

In today's podcast we set the stage with the story of Dax Cowart, who in 1973 was a 25 year old man horribly burned in a freak accident. Two thirds of his body was burned, most of his fingers were amputated, and he lost vision in both eyes.  During his 14 month recovery Dax repeatedly demanded that he be allowed to die. The requests were ignored. After, he said he was both glad to be alive, and that the doctors should have respected his wish to be allowed to die.

But that was 1973, you might say. We don't have such issues today, do we? 

Louise Aronson's recent perspective about her mother in the NEJM, titled, "Beyond Code Status" suggests no, we still struggle with this issue. And Bill Andereck is still haunted by the decision he made to have the police break down the door to rescue his patient who attempted suicide in the 1980s, as detailed in this essay in the Cambridge Quarterly of HealthCare Ethics.  The issues that are raised by these situations are really hard, as they involve complex and sometimes competing ethical values, including:

  • The duty to rescue, to save life, to be a "lifeguard"

  • Judgements about quality of life, made on the part of patients about their future selves, and by clinicians (and surrogate decision makers) about patients

  • Age realism vs agism 

  • The ethics of rationale suicide, subject of a prior GeriPal episode

  • Changes in medical practice and training, a disconnect between longitudinal care and acute care, and frequent handoffs

  • The limitations of advance directives, POLST, and code status orders in the electronic health record

  • The complexities of patient preferences, which extend far beyond code status

  • The tension between list vs goals based approaches to documentation in the EHR

And a great song request, "The Cape" by Guy Clark to start and end.

Enjoy!

-@AlexSmithMD

 

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Hosted by UCSF physicians Alex Smith and Eric Widera, GeriPal-A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast creates a vital space for conversation at the intersection of aging and serious illness care. This isn't a dry lecture series; it's a dynamic dialogue where Eric and Alex bring on leading experts to unpack the complexities of geriatric and palliative medicine. They delve into the latest research that should change practice, tackle the ethical dilemmas that provoke debate, and explore the nuanced clinical challenges that professionals face daily. The tone is engaging and often surprisingly lighthearted, with moments of humor and even the occasional song, making profound topics more accessible. Whether you're a clinician, nurse, social worker, or any professional dedicated to this field, this podcast offers a blend of evidence-based insights and practical wisdom you can use. It’s a resource that acknowledges the weight of the work while fostering connection and continued learning. For those seeking formal education credits, AMA PRA Category 1 CME and MOC credit are also available through the show. Tune in to join a community committed to improving care for older adults and those with serious illness.
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