Dialysis vs Conservative Management for Older Adults: Manju Kurella Tamura, Susan Wong, & Maria Montez-Rath

Dialysis vs Conservative Management for Older Adults: Manju Kurella Tamura, Susan Wong, & Maria Montez-Rath

Author: Alex Smith, Eric Widera November 7, 2024 Duration: 47:07

We recently published a podcast on palliative care for kidney failure, focusing on conservative kidney management. Today we're going to focus upstream on the decision to initiate dialysis vs conservative kidney management.

As background, we discuss Manju Kurella Tamura's landmark NEJM paper that found, contrary to expectations, that function declines precipitously for nursing home residents who initiate dialysis.  If the purpose of initiating dialysis is improving function - our complex, frail, older patients are likely to be disappointed.

We also briefly mention Susan Wong's terrific studies that found a disconnect between older adults with renal failure's expressed values, focused on comfort, and their advance care planning and end-of-life care received, which focused on life extension; and another study that found quality of life was sustained until late in the illness course.

One final briefly mentioned piece of background: John Oliver's hilarious and disturbing takedown of the for profit dialysis industry, focused on DaVita.

And the main topic of today is a paper in Annals of Internal Medicine, Maria first author, that addressed the tradeoffs between initiating dialysis vs continued medical/supportive management.   Turns out, in summary people who initiate dialysis have mildly longer lives, but spend more time in facilities, away from home.  We also discuss (without trying to get too wonky!) immortal time bias and target emulation trials. Do target trials differ from randomized trials and "ordinary" observational studies, or do they differ?!? Eric is skeptical.

Bottom line: if faced with the decision to initiate dialysis, waiting is generally better.  Let it be (hint hint).

-Additional link to study with heatmaps of specific locations (hospital, nursing home, home) after initiating dialysis.

-@AlexSmithMD




Hosted by UCSF physicians Alex Smith and Eric Widera, GeriPal-A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast creates a vital space for conversation at the intersection of aging and serious illness care. This isn't a dry lecture series; it's a dynamic dialogue where Eric and Alex bring on leading experts to unpack the complexities of geriatric and palliative medicine. They delve into the latest research that should change practice, tackle the ethical dilemmas that provoke debate, and explore the nuanced clinical challenges that professionals face daily. The tone is engaging and often surprisingly lighthearted, with moments of humor and even the occasional song, making profound topics more accessible. Whether you're a clinician, nurse, social worker, or any professional dedicated to this field, this podcast offers a blend of evidence-based insights and practical wisdom you can use. It’s a resource that acknowledges the weight of the work while fostering connection and continued learning. For those seeking formal education credits, AMA PRA Category 1 CME and MOC credit are also available through the show. Tune in to join a community committed to improving care for older adults and those with serious illness.
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