The Promise and Pitfalls of AI in Medicine: Bob Wachter

The Promise and Pitfalls of AI in Medicine: Bob Wachter

Author: Alex Smith, Eric Widera April 18, 2024 Duration: 44:32

Eric asks the question that is on many of our minds - is the future of AI more Skynet from Terminator, in which AI takes over the world and drives humanity to the brink of extinction, or Wall-E, in which a benevolent and empathetic AI restores our humanity?

Our guest today is Bob Wachter, Chair of Medicine at UCSF and author of the Digital Doctor: Hope, Hype, and Harm at the Dawn of Medicine's Computer Age.  Bob recently wrote an essay in JAMA on AI and delivered a UCSF Grand Rounds on the same topic.  We discuss, among other things:

  • Findings that in several studies AI was rated by patients as more empathetic than human clinicians (not less, that isn't a typo). Turns my concern about lack of empathy from AI on its head - the AI may be more empathetic than clinicians, not less.

  • Skepticism on the ability of predictive models to transform healthcare

  • Consolidation of EHR's into the hands of a very few companies, and potential for the drug and device industry to influence care delivery by tweaking AI in ways that are not transparent and already a sort of magical black box.

  • AI may de-skill clinicians in the same way that autopilot deskilled pilots, who no longer new how to fly the plane without autopilot

  • A live demonstration of AI breaking a cancer diagnosis to a young adult with kids (VITAL Talk watch out)

  • Use cases in healthcare: Bob predicts everyone will use digital scribes to chart within two years

  • Concerns about bias and other anticipated and unanticipated issues


And a real treat- Bob plays the song for this one!  Terrific rendition of Tomorrow from the musical Annie on piano (a strong hint there about Bob's answer to Eric's first question).  Enjoy!

-@AlexSmithMD

 


Hosted by UCSF physicians Alex Smith and Eric Widera, GeriPal-A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast creates a vital space for conversation at the intersection of aging and serious illness care. This isn't a dry lecture series; it's a dynamic dialogue where Eric and Alex bring on leading experts to unpack the complexities of geriatric and palliative medicine. They delve into the latest research that should change practice, tackle the ethical dilemmas that provoke debate, and explore the nuanced clinical challenges that professionals face daily. The tone is engaging and often surprisingly lighthearted, with moments of humor and even the occasional song, making profound topics more accessible. Whether you're a clinician, nurse, social worker, or any professional dedicated to this field, this podcast offers a blend of evidence-based insights and practical wisdom you can use. It’s a resource that acknowledges the weight of the work while fostering connection and continued learning. For those seeking formal education credits, AMA PRA Category 1 CME and MOC credit are also available through the show. Tune in to join a community committed to improving care for older adults and those with serious illness.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 100

GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
Podcast Episodes
What instead? Alternatives to Beers: Todd Semla and Mike Steinman [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:38
On a prior podcast we talked with Todd Semla and Mike Steinman about the update to the AGS Beers Criteria of potentially inappropriate medications in older adults (Todd and Mike co-chair the AGS Beers Criteria Panel). On…
We Need a Care Revolution: Victor Montori [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:41
In his book, "Why We Revolt," Victor Montori decries the industrialization of healthcare. We've become a healthcare factory, beholden to health systems motivated by profit. In particular, he laments the loss of the "care…
Death Anxiety: Dani Chammas & Keri Brenner [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:23
What is death anxiety? We spend the first 15 minutes of the podcast addressing this question. And maybe this was unfair to our guests, the fabulous dynamic duo of palliative psychiatrists Dani Chammas and Keri Brenner (l…
Health and Wealth Shocks: Lauren Hunt, Rebecca Rodin, Tsai-Chin Cho [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:35
June Lunney famously characterized the end of life functional course of people with dementia as a slow dwindle over time. Tom Gill later found that people with dementia do indeed have persistent severe disability through…