Rodrigo Gordillo: Stacking Managed Futures with RSST and RSBT

Rodrigo Gordillo: Stacking Managed Futures with RSST and RSBT

Author: Ani Yildirim January 6, 2026 Duration: 24:37

In this episode, Rodrigo Gordillo, President of ReSolve Asset Management and Co-Founder of Return Stacked ETFs, delves into the history, mechanics, and benefits of managed futures strategies. Gordillo recounts the evolution from the original turtle traders to modern systematic approaches in trend following. He explains the behavioral finance underpinnings that make these strategies effective, including concepts like anchoring and cascading effects. The conversation covers the diversification benefits of managed futures, their non-correlation with traditional asset classes, and their performance in different market regimes. Gordillo also introduces return stacking and portable alpha concepts, illustrating how these methods can provide both diversification and potential outperformance without significantly increasing portfolio risk. The discussion includes practical examples and the mechanics behind ETFs like RSST and RSBT.

00:00 Introduction to Managed Futures

01:24 Understanding Trend Following

03:11 Behavioral Finance and Trend Following

04:12 Benefits of Investing in Managed Futures

07:46 Challenges of Diversification

10:30 Return Stacking Explained

13:19 Mechanics of RSST and RSBT

21:06 Practical Use Cases for Return Stacking

23:45 Conclusion and Further Learning

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Investments involve risk. Principal loss is possible. Unlike mutual funds, ETFs may trade at a premium or discount to their net asset value. Brokerage commissions may apply and would reduce returns. Toroso Investments, LLC (“Toroso”) serves as investment adviser to the Funds and the Funds’ Subsidiary. Newfound Research LLC (“Newfound”) serves as investment sub-adviser to the Funds. ReSolve Asset Management SEZC (Cayman) (“ReSolve”) serves as futures trading advisor to the Fund and the Funds’ Subsidiary. Foreside Fund Services, LLC is the distributor for the Funds. Foreside is not related to Toroso, Newfound, or ReSolve.


Corey Hoffstein and Rodrigo Gordillo host the Get Stacked Investment Podcast, a series dedicated to moving beyond conventional financial wisdom. The conversations here focus on a specific and powerful concept: return stacking. This isn't about generic stock tips or market predictions. Instead, each episode delves into the practical mechanics and philosophical underpinnings of building more resilient and efficient portfolios by strategically combining return streams. You'll hear detailed analysis and candid discussions with researchers, portfolio managers, and other innovative thinkers who are actively pushing the boundaries of modern investing. The dialogue is geared towards experienced investors and financial professionals who are familiar with the limitations of traditional 60/40 allocations and are seeking a more nuanced framework. Expect deep dives into topics like alternative risk premia, tactical asset allocation, and the real-world application of sophisticated strategies. The goal is to provide listeners with a substantive education, challenging them to critically examine their own investment assumptions. By focusing on these advanced principles, the Get Stacked Investment Podcast serves as a valuable resource for anyone looking to seriously upgrade their approach to portfolio construction and long-term capital growth. Tune in for a consistently detailed and thought-provoking exploration of what comes next in investment strategy.
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