CORRECTED: Freedom Practice in an Unfree World

CORRECTED: Freedom Practice in an Unfree World

Author: How to Survive the End of the World December 9, 2025 Duration: 1:12:23

Some of you may have gotten the wrong audio when we posted this episode on 11/21/25. SORRY!

Today we're thrilled to feature the recent interview featuring Autumn from Next Economy Now with Ryan Honeyman.

In this episode, she shares her journey of moving from cooperative leadership at AORTA into a new phase of life focused on music, writing, and martial arts, as well as her forthcoming book on fugitivity. At the heart of her work is the question: how do we practice freedom in an unfree world?

Together, Autumn and Ryan dive into what has shifted since 2020—exploring the backlash to racial justice movements, the difference between symbolic versus relational change, and why so much of today’s organizing can feel performative when not grounded in real relationship. Autumn emphasizes the need to move beyond fear, resentment, or judgment and instead organize from love, courage, and grief—energies that replenish rather than deplete. The conversation touches on coalition building across difference, how to choose when to hold firm and when to meet people where they are, and what it means to reach for governing power while staying rooted in liberatory practice.

Toward the end, the two reflect on martial arts as a surprising but powerful practice for those committed to nonviolence. Autumn shares how Aikido has reshaped her relationship to conflict and power, while Ryan reflects on his own entry into boxing as a healthy channel for rage and resilience. Though a smaller part of the discussion, it underscores a central theme: the practices that help us stay grounded, embodied, and awake are essential to sustaining movements and our lives within them.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Autumn Brown:⁠ https://www.iambrown.org/⁠ 

Autumn Brown on LinkedIn:⁠ https://www.linkedin.com/in/autumn-brown-0bab514/⁠ 

Autumn Brown on Instagram:⁠ https://www.instagram.com/autumnmeghanbrown/⁠ 

How to Survive the End of the World:⁠ https://endoftheworldshow.org/⁠ 


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Sisters Autumn Brown and adrienne maree brown host How to Survive the End of the World, a podcast rooted in their shared lives as writers, activists, and facilitators shaped by multiracial diasporic lineages. This isn't a theoretical discussion about distant catastrophes; it's a direct, grounded conversation about the endings we are all already living through-the collapse of systems, the death of old ways, and the personal transformations that feel like worlds dissolving. Each episode delves into the tangible, often messy practices a community needs to navigate these ruptures. You'll hear them explore how we grieve, how we organize, how we imagine futures, and how we find wholeness even as things fall apart. The dialogue is intimate and urgent, moving from the kitchen table to the front lines of social change, always asking what it means to survive with integrity and connection. This podcast operates from the belief that learning to face endings together is the first, most necessary step toward building something new. For more from Autumn and adrienne, find them at endoftheworldshow.org.
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How to Survive the End of the World
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