If hope is a muscle, then how do I build it?

If hope is a muscle, then how do I build it?

Author: How to Survive the End of the World April 10, 2026 Duration: 30:32

Autumn is hosting another show and you're gonna love it!

In the Season Four premiere of the Climate Changed podcast, Autumn talks with Tory Stephens, a storyteller, cultural worker, and climate justice advocate.

They explore the transformative power of climate fiction and its role in helping us envision the future. Tory discusses his groundbreaking work at Grist, where he founded Imagine 2200, an initiative that asks a simple yet radical question: What if we wrote stories not about what we fear but about what we hope to create? The discussion dives into how imagination connects with responsibility, how storytelling serves as a profound form of spiritual leadership, and why envisioning a new reality is essential for climate justice.

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Resources & Concepts Mentioned:

    Thrutopia: Coined by philosopher Rupert Read and popularized by author Manda Scott through the Thrutopia Masterclass, a Thrutopian narrative threads the needle between utopia and dystopia. It focuses on writing grounded, plausible, and inspiring route maps that show exactly how we navigate through our current struggles to reach a future we’d be proud to leave behind.

    Bloodchild by Octavia E. Butler: Autumn quotes the legendary science fiction author—who was the first African American woman to reach mainstream success in the genre—and her collection Bloodchild and Other Stories, reflecting on how sci-fi stimulates necessary imagination and creativity.

    North Woods by Daniel Mason: A novel mentioned by Nicole Diroff from The BTS Center’s Summer Fiction Book Club, highlighting how fiction can make the natural landscape the main character.

    Humans of New York: The iconic photoblog that Tory credits with changing his perspective early in his career, teaching him the unparalleled power of human-centric storytelling over dry statistics.

    Visionary Fiction: A framework of world-building and storytelling that Autumn Brown and her sister use in their writing retreats, which actively wrestles with the sacred and reclaims spiritual practices.

    Dream Seeds: A term favored by Grist and Imagine 2200 to describe stories that plant concrete, hopeful visions of how society could be organized completely differently.

    Eve Mosher & Creating Your Story of Tomorrow: An adult education facilitator guide and video created by renowned environmental artist Eve Mosher, available on the BTS Center’s Leadership Commons.

    “Seven Sisters” by Susan Kaye Quinn; 3rd place winner of the 2022 Imagine 2200 contest.

    The Case of the Missing Lake by Colby Devitt; published in November 2025 by Imagine 2200.

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/torystephens

Bluesky: @torystephens.bsky.social

Imagine 2200 (Grist): About Imagine 2200: Climate Fiction

More from Tory: Shaping the Future Through Climate Fiction (Podcast Interview)

Read the Collections: 

Thank Yous: We want to extend our deepest gratitude to everyone who made this episode possible:

Tory Stephens, for sharing his incredible vision, imagination, and wisdom with us.

Peterson Toscano, producer of Climate Changed, for producing this episode and for providing the wonderful grounding for this episode.

The BTS Center team, for your ongoing support and for providing the resources and platform that make this podcast possible.

A podcast by The BTS Center exploring some of the most pressing questions about faith, life, and climate change.

Produced by Peterson Toscano, the podcast features acclaimed guests such as Brian McLaren, Elizabeth Rush, Craig Santos Perez, and many more.



Sisters Autumn Brown and adrienne maree brown host How to Survive the End of the World, a podcast rooted in their shared lives as writers, activists, and facilitators shaped by multiracial diasporic lineages. This isn't a theoretical discussion about distant catastrophes; it's a direct, grounded conversation about the endings we are all already living through-the collapse of systems, the death of old ways, and the personal transformations that feel like worlds dissolving. Each episode delves into the tangible, often messy practices a community needs to navigate these ruptures. You'll hear them explore how we grieve, how we organize, how we imagine futures, and how we find wholeness even as things fall apart. The dialogue is intimate and urgent, moving from the kitchen table to the front lines of social change, always asking what it means to survive with integrity and connection. This podcast operates from the belief that learning to face endings together is the first, most necessary step toward building something new. For more from Autumn and adrienne, find them at endoftheworldshow.org.
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