The Fantasy and Necessity of Solidarity with Sarah Schulman

The Fantasy and Necessity of Solidarity with Sarah Schulman

Author: How to Survive the End of the World May 2, 2025 Duration: 54:12

Today's conversation is long-overdue. The sisters have been circling, admiring and inspired by Sarah Schulman for many years. Finally, they convene to discuss the particularities of solidarity, how heroism and perfectionism can hinder participation in solidarity and how historical perspectives on solidarity reveal its multifaceted nature. Schulman's new book is The Fantasy and Necessity of Solidarity. 

She teaches Creative Writing (Nonfiction and Fiction) with an emphasis on manuscript development at Northwestern University. She is a novelist, playwright, screenwriter, nonfiction writer and AIDS historian.

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Sisters Autumn Brown and adrienne maree brown host How to Survive the End of the World, a podcast rooted in their shared lives as writers, activists, and facilitators shaped by multiracial diasporic lineages. This isn't a theoretical discussion about distant catastrophes; it's a direct, grounded conversation about the endings we are all already living through-the collapse of systems, the death of old ways, and the personal transformations that feel like worlds dissolving. Each episode delves into the tangible, often messy practices a community needs to navigate these ruptures. You'll hear them explore how we grieve, how we organize, how we imagine futures, and how we find wholeness even as things fall apart. The dialogue is intimate and urgent, moving from the kitchen table to the front lines of social change, always asking what it means to survive with integrity and connection. This podcast operates from the belief that learning to face endings together is the first, most necessary step toward building something new. For more from Autumn and adrienne, find them at endoftheworldshow.org.
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