16 Can sexy things give you anime style nosebleeds? (The Nosebleed Episode)

On this episode of Ichimon Japan we ask: Can sexy things give you anime style nosebleeds?

Topics Discussed

• Whether getting sexually aroused causes nosebleeds
• What it would be like if people in the real world had explosive nosebleeds like in anime
• The idea that eating large amounts of chocolate causes nosebleeds
• The idea that eating large amounts of peanuts causes nosebleeds
• Theories on how it was that people in Japan started to say that chocolate can cause nosebleeds
• The idea that Japanese people in the Meiji period thought milk chocolate had cow's blood in it
• Why Japanese parents may have told chiclren that consuming too much chocolate causes nosebleeds
• The case of a Japanese person who was told eating too many raisins cause nosebleeds
• The possible origin of the nosebleed trope in anime/manga
• The manga creator Yasuji Tanioka
• What the heck hanajibū (鼻血ブー) means
• Yasuji Tanioka's 1970 hit gyagu (gag/comedic) manga "Tanioka Yasuji no Mettametta Gakidō Kōza" (谷岡ヤスジのメッタメタガキ道講座) and its connection to nosebleeds
• Yasuji Tanioka's 1971 animated film "Yasuji no Porunorama Yacchimae!!" (ヤスジのポルノラマ やっちまえ!!)
• A totally ridiculous message board post claiming that men in feaudal Japan would demonstrate interest in a woman by somehow (mentally?) forcing blood to come out their nose
• The possible connection between ginkgo nuts/seeds and nosebleeds
• The adverse health effects of ginkgotoxin
• What many in Japan say is the maximum number of ginkgo nuts one should eat
• A theory that ties the nosebleeds of anime all the way back to ancient China and the ginkgo nut
• What the proper way to stop a nosebleed is
• Tony's Unified Nosebleed Theory (TUNT)
• And more!

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Sources, Links, Videos, Etc.

Here is a list of the main English-language sources used for this episode. Some extra details were included when necessary.

• Bloodbath: Why Do So Many Anime Characters Have Nosebleeds When They're Aroused?
• Yasuji Tanioka
• From where did the anime cliche of a sexually aroused person bleeding from their nose originate? What is its significance?
• Anime Physics: Nosebleeds
• Origins of the nose-bleed in anime/manga
  • The page above is where the quote about nosebleeds possibly tying back to feudal Japan when men used to mentally force blood to come out their noses in order to signal to a woman that they were attracted to them. That post was written by someone using the name Kess Vargavind and has been quoted in its entirety below. The post was dated October 27, 2013.
    • "I have no idea when, or by whom, the nosebleeding started to depicted in Japanese visual arts, but the nosebleeding as a sign of excitement is traditionally held to have developed during the feudal times when men and women (of the upper classes) were supposed to live their lives apart—but of course they needed some way to woo each other! And so, the men, while walking on the other side of the street mentally forced their noses to bleed when they saw someone "hot" being walked along, and the courting could begin on opposite sides of drawn curtains. Some consider this an accurate history while others consider it a myth, probably the truth lies somewhere in between, as usual.
      

      If this is true, then this form of specialised nosebleed might have been depicted in art for quite awhile. But of that I have no knowledge.

      An interesting thing, I just realised, is that if this is the true history of the sexually ritualistic nosebleed, then

      (a) women had no need to develop such "skills", and

      (b) homosexual men also had no such need.

      Thus much of the anime and manga today—especially in the boys' love scene—are not true to the real history! :P (Male homosexual acts were in these times—again, in the upper classes—something considered pure and good, as females were "worth" less and not something you might not have easy "access" to when you felt certain urges.)"

• Nosebleeds: Causes and Treatments
  • The article above states "Some herbs that affect blood clotting, including ginseng, ginkgo, and garlic, may also play a role in nosebleeds."
• Spontaneous Bleeding Associated with Ginkgo biloba
  • The study above is interesting in that it analyzes previous studies and does not dismiss the link between ginkgo and bleeding. It calls for further research.
• Ginkgotoxin (Wikipedia)

Here is a selection of the main articles used as reference for this episode. All titles are provided in Japanese. Additional notes are provided for particularly notable articles.

• 【育児都市伝説】ピーナッツやチョコで鼻血が出るって本当？
• チョコレートと鼻血
  • This article debunks the excessive chocolate causes nosebleeds urban legend (toshi densetsu) and says that one possible explanation is that back when milk chocolate was introduced to Japan some people mistakenly believed that it was made using cow's blood. According to this unverified explanation this mistake was caused by the phrase "cow's milk" (ushi no chichi) sounding similar to the phrase "cow's blood" (ushi no chi).
• はな血　その２
  • The post above also mentions that cow's blood theory as one of the explanations for the origin of the eating too much chocolate causes nosebleed urban legend.
• 「レーズンの食べ過ぎは良くない、鼻血が出る
  • This is the link to the Yahoo Chiebukuro (Japanese equivalent of Yahoo Answers) post in which someone asks if it is true that eating a lot of raisins will cause nosebleeds. In the discussion it is said that the person asking the question says their mother told them this. However, this is not true. It is just a general question that asks if this is true or not.
• 鼻血とは　（漫画・アニメ等における鼻血）
• 「エロい物で本当に鼻血は出るの？」――医師に確認してみた！
• エッチなことを考えると鼻血が出るのは本当か？
  • The article above states that the manga creator Yasuji Tanioka is often attributed as the one that started the association between sexual arousal and nosebleeds through his 1970 manga "Yasuji no Mettametta Gakkidō Kōza."
• 谷岡ヤスジ (Wikipedia)
• 銀杏を食べ過ぎると鼻血が出るって本当ですか？
  • This message board post asks if eating too many ginkgo seeds/nuts will cause a nosebleed. Interestingly, the person that responds to the person asking this question states that it does not cause nosebleeds but ginkgo seeds can be poisonous if you eat too many of them.
• ぎんなんの食べ過ぎで中毒死、ゴボウの保存法間違え食中毒…実は危険な食べ物リスト
  • This is the Business Journal article mentioned during the episode. In this article a professor from Nihon Pharmaceutical College (Nihon Gakka Daigaku, 日本薬科大学) named Shinji Funayama states that excessive consumption of ginkgo seeds/nuts can result in nosebleeds and even seizures.

Here is the Tokyo Podcast episode mentioned during the commercial break.

• Seeing The Human Potential With Tony Vega

Here is the Japan Station episode mentioned during the commercial break.

• Learning Japanese While Legally Blind (Tony Vega) | Japan Station 33

Japanese Vocabulary List

Most episodes feature at least one or two interesting Japanese words or phrases. Here's some of the ones that came up on this episode. All information is from Jim Breen's WWWJDIC.

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• Hanaji
  • 鼻血 【はなぢ(P); はなじ(ik)】 (n) nosebleed
• Ginnan
  • 銀杏 【ぎんなん; ギンナン】 ; (n) (See 銀杏・いちょう) ginkgo nut; gingko nut
  • 男前 【おとこまえ(P); オトコマエ】 (n) handsome man; man's looks; good looks
• Ushi
  • 牛 【うし(P); ぎゅう; ウシ】 (n) (1) cattle (Bos taurus); cow; bull; ox; calf
• Chichi
  • 乳 【ちち(P); ち】 (n) (1) milk; (2) breast

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