Toronto tales and more

Toronto tales and more

Author: Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson October 1, 2025 Duration: 59:11

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Overview

Rob and Greg return to break down CMLS 2025 in Toronto, offering their candid takes on the good, the bad, and the ugly of the event. From bold leadership discussions and MLS operational shifts to vendor frustrations and AI speculation, they cover the hot topics shaping the industry. The episode also dives into the Compass/Anywhere merger, vendor challenges, and how AI may (or may not) reshape real estate.

Key Takeaways

  • CMLS 2025 Recap: Despite venue issues, the conference featured strong panels on MLS operations and leadership .

  • Bold Leadership: Key discussions included separating associations and MLSs, technology shifts like AWS migration, and communication strategies for major decisions 

  • Compass/Anywhere Merger: MLS execs showed a pragmatic stance, with little immediate panic over the deal .

  • Vendor Struggles: Vendors continue to face slow MLS sales cycles, entrenched incumbents, and a "glacial pace" of change .

  • AI's Role: Debate on whether AI will increase the number of realtors (2 million by 2030?) or simply change workflows in MLS operations and compliance .

  • Opendoor's AI Push: Skepticism over Opendoor's "AI-first" pivot, with questions about what it really means for flipping houses

 

Links

Friday Flash: The coming Realtor boom

Letter from The Realty Alliance to CMLS

Kaz Nejatian X post on "AI Native" with Greg's reply

 

Connect with Rob and Greg

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Greg's Website 

 

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Industry Relations is a weekly conversation hosted by Rob Hahn, also known as The Notorious ROB, and Greg Robertson. It operates at a unique crossroads, examining where the business of real estate collides with and is reshaped by new technology. This isn't a surface-level tech review; the discussion comes from an insider's perspective, built on years of direct experience within the field. Each episode delves into the practical implications of software platforms, shifting market data, and emerging business models that are actively changing how properties are bought, sold, and managed. The hosts analyze trends, debate strategies, and often challenge conventional wisdom, providing a nuanced look at the forces driving change. Listening to this podcast offers a deeper understanding of the operational and entrepreneurial challenges faced by professionals navigating this evolving landscape. You'll hear specific case studies, evaluations of new tools, and forward-looking predictions about what's next for the industry. The tone is direct and informed, reflecting the hosts' deep background, making it essential for anyone invested in the future of real estate as a business. Tune in for thoughtful, weekly analysis that goes beyond the headlines.
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Podcast Episodes
Bravery and Impact of the MLS Stance [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 39:44
Have you been keeping up with the latest updates in MLS policies? Rob and Greg break down the key details of Bright MLS's clear cooperation policy and NWMLS's decision not to remove compensation data from their system. B…
The Potential Implications of Dropping CCP [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:19
Are the rumors true? Is Bright MLS really going to drop the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP)? Rob and Greg explore the potential implications of this decision, and speculate on the motivations behind it and its potential i…
Portal Wars and Raising the Bar at NAR [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:20
Who is winning the portal wars? In this episode Rob and Greg talk about the future of the MLS and debate which company they would bet their life savings on – Zillow, REALTOR.com, or Homes.com. Providing insights into the…
Walking the Line - Words Matter [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 45:07
What is the difference between the threat of steering in an illegitimate way and being transparent and informing your client? In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss the difference between steering and fiduciary duty in re…
Zillow's Touring Agreement and Consumer Experience Simping [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:00:19
With buyer agreements having to take place before a showing and Zillow's new touring agreement what will the end consumer experience be? In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss updates on the NAR settlement and Zillow's ne…
The $250M Settlement That will Impact the Industry [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 57:30
HomeServices of America has reached a settlement in the slew of commission lawsuits. Now that a huge domino has fallen, what will happen next in the industry? Rob and Greg discuss the next steps in the commission lawsuit…
CoStar Acquires Matterport: The Photography Wars [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 42:29
How will CoStar's recent buyout of Matterport affect the industry? In this episode Rob and Greg dive into the recent acquisition of Matterport by CoStar and how Rob and Greg predicted this years ago. How will Zillow resp…
Unpacking Pulte Group's Objection to the NAR Settlement [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 51:24
Join Rob and Greg in this episode as they talk about the recent objection filed by Pulte Homes to the NAR settlements. Are they valid and will they make an impact? Also, what is Real Estate 3.0? Greg expands on what it m…
NAR's Continuing Legal Battles [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 54:30
Not one week goes by without some huge industry news surrounding NAR. In this episode, Rob ang Greg discuss the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals' reversal in the NAR vs. US lawsuit, paving way for a new probe in the wake of…

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