Episode 121: Gila Fine "The Madwoman in the Rabbi's Attic"

Episode 121: Gila Fine "The Madwoman in the Rabbi's Attic"

Author: Ben Koren and Benzi Siouni | A Geonic-Maimonidean Approach to Torah Through the Ages and Today April 28, 2025 Duration: 1:11:58

How are women really portrayed in the Talmud—and what happens when we look beyond the surface? In this episode, we speak with Gila Fine about her groundbreaking book, The Madwoman in the Rabbi’s Attic, where she takes us deep into the stories of the six named heroines of the Talmud: Yalta the shrew, Homa the femme fatale, Marta the prima donna, Heruta the madonna/whore, Beruria the overreachrix, and Ima Shalom the angel in the house. As their labels suggest, each woman seems to embody an antifeminist stereotype—but Gila shows that with a careful, layered reading, there’s a lot more going on. She shares her intuitive and compelling methodology of reading each story twice: once for its plain meaning, and again to uncover the deeper, often unexpected truth. We dive into the story of Yalta—the so-called shrew—where Gila’s approach cracks open new ways of thinking, and once you hear it, you’ll never look at aggadah the same way again.

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*This episode is dedicated to the refua shelema of our dear friend Yaakov ben Haya Sarah Malakh and to the neshama of Meir ben Moshe a'h — Abdolrahim Ilian, the late father of our dear friend, Rod Ilian.

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• Bio: How are women really portrayed in the Talmud—and what happens when we look beyond the surface? In this episode, we speak with Gila Fine, winner of the National Jewish Book Award and the Rabbi Sacks Book Prize, about her groundbreaking book, The Madwoman in the Rabbi’s Attic, where she takes us deep into the stories of the six named heroines of the Talmud: Yalta the shrew, Homa the femme fatale, Marta the prima donna, Heruta the madonna/wh*re, Beruria the overreachrix, and Ima Shalom the angel in the house. As their labels suggest, each woman seems to embody an antifeminist stereotype—but Gila shows that with a careful, layered reading, there’s a lot more going on. She shares her intuitive and compelling methodology of reading each story twice: once for its plain meaning, and again to uncover the deeper, often unexpected truth. We dive into the story of Yalta—the so-called shrew—where Gila’s approach cracks open new ways of thinking, and once you hear it, you’ll never look at aggadah the same way again.

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• Get her book here: https://korenpub.com/products/the-madwoman-in-the-rabbis-attic?handle=kgsd0

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In a world of soundbites, JUDAISM DEMYSTIFIED | A Guide for Today's Perplexed: Torah Foundations, Reason, and Tradition offers a different space: long, thoughtful conversations that delve into the questions and concepts often passed over. Lifelong friends Ben Koren and Benzi Siouni host this series, bringing together voices from across disciplines-religious thinkers, scientists, historians-to examine Jewish wisdom through a specific lens. Their approach is rooted in the Geonic-Maimonidean tradition, a classical stream of Jewish thought that champions reason alongside deep faith, and they thoughtfully engage with the modern intellectual legacy of Rabbi Jonathan Sacks. This isn't about simple answers, but about rediscovering the robust, foundational frameworks of Torah that can speak to contemporary complexity. Each episode aims to build a bridge between ancient text and modern perplexity, reigniting a genuine passion for tradition by taking it seriously as a living, intellectual pursuit. The resulting discussions in this podcast are nuanced, patient, and designed for anyone who feels that standard explanations have left gaps in their understanding. You'll hear explorations where tradition meets rigorous inquiry, where historical context illuminates enduring principles, and where the goal is a more coherent, personally owned Jewish life. It’s a guide for the curious, the skeptical, and the devoted, all seeking a deeper anchor in timeless wisdom.
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