Episode 5: The Seven Generations Fight

Episode 5: The Seven Generations Fight

Author: The Spinoff December 1, 2025 Duration: 1:02:01
The 1990s in New Zealand have dawned with images of harmony projected to the world, but longstanding divisions still acute at home. The Bolger government comes to power promising to uphold the Treaty and provide redress for injustice.  Negotiations over the Sealords fishery quota and with two of Aotearoa’s largest iwi, Waikato Tainui and Ngāi Tahu face pushback from all directions: in cabinet and the National Party base, from the public, and within te ao Māori, where the concept of the “fiscal envelope” is widely considered anathema.  Plus: how Jim Bolger outmanoeuvered Ruth Richardson on Te Papa. The fifth episode of Juggernaut 2: The Story of the Fourth National Government includes new and exclusive interviews with Jim Bolger, Anake Goodall, Doug Graham, Tau Henare, Jenny Shipley and more.  Click here for full details of archive material used in this series Juggernaut 2 was made with the support of NZ On Air. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you thought the political upheavals of the 1980s were dramatic, just wait for the sequel. Juggernaut 2: The Story of the Fourth National Government picks up the story as a weary New Zealand enters the 1990s, expecting calm but instead finding itself steered by a renewed force of radical change. This podcast from The Spinoff chronicles a decade defined by profound economic shocks, severe austerity measures, and a whirlwind of policy reforms that reshaped the nation's social fabric. You'll hear about the complex and historic renegotiation of Crown-Māori relations, internal power struggles that led to a shocking Beehive coup, and the unlikely introduction of a new electoral system that forever altered the political landscape. The narrative is built on firsthand accounts, featuring new and exclusive interviews with key figures who were in the room, from Prime Ministers Jim Bolger and Jenny Shipley to Finance Minister Ruth Richardson, opposition leader Helen Clark, and Treaty Negotiations Minister Doug Graham. It’s a detailed, character-driven examination of how the decisions of that decade, made amidst fresh crises and a blizzard of reforms, continue to echo through contemporary New Zealand life. Each episode delves into the personal ambitions, fierce ideologies, and unexpected consequences that defined an era often remembered for its brutality and its lasting political transformations.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 15

Juggernaut 2: The Story of the Fourth National Government
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