Episode 6: The Prime Minister Is Not a Person

Episode 6: The Prime Minister Is Not a Person

Author: The Spinoff December 8, 2025 Duration: 1:02:19
New Zealand’s first MMP government gets off to a rocky start, beset by boxer-short scandals and lousy poll numbers. Jim Bolger declares “springtime for New Zealand”, but the economic weather won’t play ball. He leaves for Europe oblivious to the plans being cooked up by a small, secretive group of MPs called “The Te Puke Bypass Committee”. When Bolger returns from overseas, Doug Graham is there to deliver the news – Jenny Shipley has the numbers; the game is up. Many are relieved, many distraught. Winston Peters is furious. The frost between Peters and Shipley never thaws, and before long an almighty, unprecedented cabinet conflagration ensues.  The final episode of Juggernaut 2: The Story of the Fourth National Government goes beyond the end of that term, to explore questions of legacy – how did this period in our history change New Zealand, for better or worse, and how will Jim Bolger, who died in October 2025 at the age of 90, be remembered? Includes new and exclusive interviews with Jim Bolger, Jenny Shipley, Ruth Richardson, Rob Eaddy, Doug Graham, Tau Henare, Helen Clark, Sandra Lee-Vercoe and more.  Click here for full details of archive material used in this series Juggernaut 2 was made with the support of NZ On Air. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you thought the political upheavals of the 1980s were dramatic, just wait for the sequel. Juggernaut 2: The Story of the Fourth National Government picks up the story as a weary New Zealand enters the 1990s, expecting calm but instead finding itself steered by a renewed force of radical change. This podcast from The Spinoff chronicles a decade defined by profound economic shocks, severe austerity measures, and a whirlwind of policy reforms that reshaped the nation's social fabric. You'll hear about the complex and historic renegotiation of Crown-Māori relations, internal power struggles that led to a shocking Beehive coup, and the unlikely introduction of a new electoral system that forever altered the political landscape. The narrative is built on firsthand accounts, featuring new and exclusive interviews with key figures who were in the room, from Prime Ministers Jim Bolger and Jenny Shipley to Finance Minister Ruth Richardson, opposition leader Helen Clark, and Treaty Negotiations Minister Doug Graham. It’s a detailed, character-driven examination of how the decisions of that decade, made amidst fresh crises and a blizzard of reforms, continue to echo through contemporary New Zealand life. Each episode delves into the personal ambitions, fierce ideologies, and unexpected consequences that defined an era often remembered for its brutality and its lasting political transformations.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 15

Juggernaut 2: The Story of the Fourth National Government
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