Episode 2261: Douglas Rushkoff on why AI is the first native app for the internet
If there’s a Marshall McLuhan for our digital age, then it might be the much published media theorist Douglas Rushoff. One of the founding evangelists of the digital revolution, Rushkoff then became one of the earliest critics of its increasingly market-driven and monopolistic forces. But now, as the zeitgeist has sharply shifted against the digital revolution, Rushkoff has become cautiously optimistic about the potential of AI to improve the world. As he told me when we talked recently in New York City, AI might be what he called “the first native app for the internet”. I’m not exactly sure what this McLuhanesque message means, but it does suggest that today’s AI media revolution might not be quite as dismal as most of us fear.
Named one of the “world’s ten most influential intellectuals” by MIT, Douglas Rushkoff is an author and documentarian who studies human autonomy in a digital age. His twenty books include the just-published Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires, as well as the recent Team Human, based on his podcast, and the bestsellers Present Shock, Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus, Program or Be Programmed, Life Inc, and Media Virus. He also made the PBS Frontline documentaries Generation Like, The Persuaders, and Merchants of Cool. His book Coercion won the Marshall McLuhan Award, and the Media Ecology Association honored him with the first Neil Postman Award for Career Achievement in Public Intellectual Activity. Rushkoff’s work explores how different technological environments change our relationship to narrative, money, power, and one another. He coined such concepts as “viral media,” “screenagers,” and “social currency,” and has been a leading voice for applying digital media toward social and economic justice. He serves as a research fellow of the Institute for the Future, and founder of the Laboratory for Digital Humanism at CUNY/Queens, where he is a Professor of Media Theory and Digital Economics. He is a columnist for Medium, and his novels and comics, Ecstasy Club, A.D.D, and Aleister & Adolf, are all being developed for the screen.
Named as one of the "100 most connected men" by GQ magazine, Andrew Keen is amongst the world's best known broadcasters and commentators. In addition to presenting KEEN ON, he is the host of the long-running How To Fix Democracy show. He is also the author of four prescient books about digital technology: CULT OF THE AMATEUR, DIGITAL VERTIGO, THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ANSWER and HOW TO FIX THE FUTURE. Andrew lives in San Francisco, is married to Cassandra Knight, Google's VP of Litigation & Discovery, and has two grown children.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit keenon.substack.com/subscribe
Episode 2301: Nicholas Carr on how the Arc of Innovation Bends Towards Decadence
Episode 2300: Sandra Matz makes the Case for a Data-Driven Science of Predicting and Changing Human Behavior
Episode 2299: Jill Kastner explains why everything old is new again in international politics
Episode 2298: Adam Chandler on the fatal contradiction at the heart of American capitalism
Episode 2297: Louis Ferrante on why the Mafia Killed JFK
Episode 2296: Adi Jaffe on how to free yourself from addiction forever
Episode 2295: Paula Whyman on how to save the American environment - one wild mountaintop at a time
Episode 2294: Larry Downes' non-MAGA plan to shrink the Federal bureaucracy
Episode 2293: David Masciotra on why Kamala Harris should have gone on the Joe Rogan show
Episode 2292: Chris Schroeder on how America now swims in an ocean of black swans
Episode 2291: Michael Scott-Baumann on the hopelessness of the Palestinian situation
Episode 2290: Marshall Poe on why 2024 was a bad year for most podcasters
Episode 2289: Gary Marcus on how Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is, in the long run, inevitable