The Wicked Art of the Gothic Thriller: Abbott Kahler on writing unnerving literature about unnerving times
EPISODE 1927: In this KEEN ON show, Andrew talks to Abbot Kahler, author of WHERE YOU END, about writing unnerving literature for unnerving times
Abbott Kahler (formerly Karen Abbott) is the author of four New York Times bestselling works of narrative nonfiction. A search for an ancestor who went missing in 1905 led her to write Sin in the Second City, which tells the true story of two sisters who ran the world’s most famous brothel and the nationwide battle to shut them down. Her interest in Gypsy Rose Lee, the subject of American Rose, stems from stories her grandmother shared about the ecdysiast’s performances in the 1930s and 40s. Liar Temptress Soldier Spy was inspired by a six-year stint in Atlanta, where the ghosts of the Civil War still seem omnipresent. The HBO show Boardwalk Empire introduced her to bootlegger George Remus, the subject of The Ghosts of Eden Park and a character much more fascinating than Al Capone. Then Came the Devil, her next nonfiction book, is by far the most outrageous story she’s ever encountered. Her debut novel, Where You End, is inspired by a true story of identical twins and amnesia, and will be out next January. USA Today once named her “a pioneer of sizzle history.” Abbott’s books have featured as Indie Next picks, Amazon’s best books of the year, Library Journal’s best books of the year, and Smithsonian Magazine’s best history books of the year. She has also been a finalist for the Edgar Award for Best Fact Crime, the Goodreads book award for history, and the Ohioana Book Awards, the second oldest state literary prize in the country. She has written for newyorker.com, New York Magazine, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Smithsonian Magazine, and other publications, and has appeared on the History Channel, CBS Sunday Morning, AMC’s "Making of the Mob,” the Discovery Channel, and other media outlets. Her books have been optioned for television and film, and her podcast about George Remus, REMUS: THE MAD BOOTLEG KING, is forthcoming from iHeartRadio. bAbbott is a native of Philadelphia, where she spent six years as a journalist, covering crime, advocating for abused women, and hanging out with mafia bosses and baseball wives. She lives in New York City and in Greenport, New York, where she’s convinced her little bungalow is haunted. She appreciates a good poker hand, an old bottle of wine, and the never-ending hunt for new stories to tell. Read the strange story behind her name change here. You can follow her on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter, or sign up for her (monthly or so) Wicked History newsletter.
Named as one of the "100 most connected men" by GQ magazine, Andrew Keen is amongst the world's best known broadcasters and commentators. In addition to presenting KEEN ON, he is the host of the long-running How To Fix Democracy show. He is also the author of four prescient books about digital technology: CULT OF THE AMATEUR, DIGITAL VERTIGO, THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ANSWER and HOW TO FIX THE FUTURE. Andrew lives in San Francisco, is married to Cassandra Knight, Google's VP of Litigation & Discovery, and has two grown children.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit keenon.substack.com/subscribe
Gary Gerstle: How Liz Truss, The Russian Invasion of Ukraine, and Joe Biden's Economic Policies Have All Contributed to the Decline, and Perhaps Even Death, of Neo-Liberalism in 2022
Christopher Leonard: Why Our Inflationary Crisis Might Not Be Over and How This Could Trigger a Broader Economic Collapse in 2023
Gary Marcus: Why We're Going to Need More Human Intelligence and More Liberal Arts Education In Our Imminent Age of AI
Julia Hobsbawm: Why the 2022 Trend of the Year Was Working From Home and How This Probably Won't Change in 2023
Larry Downes on How the Federal Government Failed to Rein in Big Tech in 2022: Expect the Same Inaction in 2023
Peter Wehner: Why 2022 Might Represent the End of the Trump Era and What Might Replace It in 2023
Elissa Epel: More Empathy, More Psychedelics, or More Grapefruit? How to Best Relieve Stress in 2023
Matthew Krogh on Why Watergate Will Never Die: The Moral Lessons of One of Nixon's White House Plumbers
Chris Miller: Why 2022 Was the Year of the Chip and the Three Great Unanswered Questions That Will Bedevil Us in 2023
Peter Coy: Why Inflation Dominated Our 2022 Economy and Why Everything Might Change in 2023
Martin Rees: Why 2022 Was a Triumphant Year for Science and What Needs to Happen in 2023 to Build Upon These Advances
Vivek Wadhwa on Modi, Indian Tech, and Kashmir: What America Gets Wrong About India
Rob Reich and Jeremy Weinstein on Political Regulation and a Moral Education: What Needs to Happen in 2023 to Reign in Big Tech