BONUS: That Beast Was Not Me: Five Decades of Conversations with Killers (Part 2)
Author: William F. Thomas and Kristin M. Dilley
April 12, 2025
Duration: 41:49
Jeffrey Smalldon talks with "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley about his new book, "That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Fifty Years of Conversations with Killers." He recounts his many face to face conversations with murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, serial sniper Thomas Lee Dillon, Donald Harvey, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme and many others. This is Part 2 of 2 parts with Jeffrey Smalldon, and this bonus episode originally ran on October 14, 2024.
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WTVR CBS News: Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:
https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024
WAVY TV 10 News: New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/
WTKR News 3: Colonial Parkway Murders podcast records in Yorktown:
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Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.
13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:
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WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:
https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/
WTKR News 3
https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases
Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/
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Behind the microphone of Mind Over Murder are William F. Thomas and Kristin M. Dilley, two voices shaped by profoundly different yet converging paths. Bill is not just an entertainment executive; he carries the personal weight of a family tragedy, having lost his younger sister Cathy Thomas and her girlfriend Rebecca Dowski to the still-haunting Colonial Parkway Murders. Kristin brings her background as a researcher and teacher to the table, applying a meticulous and thoughtful lens to each story they explore. Together, they move beyond the sensational headlines to examine the human cost of violence, the intricate process of investigation, and the long, often painful road toward resolution. This isn't a passive listening experience. Each episode of the Mind Over Murder podcast is built on a foundation of advocacy and deep, personal investment, offering a perspective that only those directly touched by such loss can fully provide. You'll hear detailed analysis of cases, conversations that grapple with the complexities of justice, and an unwavering focus on the victims and the families left searching for answers. It's a careful, respectful exploration of true crime, where the emphasis rests on understanding over exploitation, making it a distinct and compelling entry in the genre.
Author: William F. Thomas and Kristin M. Dilley
Language: English
Episodes: 101
