CLI First with Kathleen Dollard

CLI First with Kathleen Dollard

Author: Carl Franklin and Richard Campbell March 5, 2026 Duration: 56:00
Your first app interface should be a CLI! Carl and Richard talk to Kathleen Dollard about her experiences creating the .NET CLI - and how CLIs are only getting more important in the era of AI. Kathleen talks about working within the POSIX CLI standard for consistency's sake and to recognize that there will be many more CLIs in your life, so they should be as similar as possible. While CLIs may have started as configuration-as-code and DevOps practices, LLMs work well with them as long as consistency is maintained. There are several projects out there today to help you build a great CLI - check the links!

Hosted by Carl Franklin and Richard Campbell, .NET Rocks! is a long-running conversation with the people building the future of software. This isn't a dry lecture; it's a lively, technical deep dive where two seasoned developers explore the vast ecosystem around Microsoft .NET, Azure, and modern development practices with a diverse roster of expert guests. Each episode feels like you're pulling up a chair in a room full of brilliant minds, listening to unfiltered discussions about real-world coding challenges, architectural patterns, and the tools that shape our daily work. You'll hear practical advice, war stories from the trenches, and forward-looking insights that go far beyond the documentation. Tuning into this podcast means connecting with a community of professionals who are as passionate about the craft as you are, offering perspectives that can transform how you approach your next project. Whether you're deep into C# or just curious about cloud-native development, these conversations provide a valuable blend of knowledge, humor, and genuine enthusiasm for technology.
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