Will we have Superintelligence by 2028? With Anthropic’s Ben Mann

Will we have Superintelligence by 2028? With Anthropic’s Ben Mann

Author: Conviction June 12, 2025 Duration: 41:25
What happens when you give AI researchers unlimited compute and tell them to compete for the highest usage rates? Ben Mann, Co-Founder, from Anthropic sits down with Sarah Guo and Elad Gil to explain how Claude 4 went from "reward hacking" to efficiently completing tasks and how they're racing to solve AI safety before deploying computer-controlling agents. Ben talks about economic Turing tests, the future of general versus specialized AI models, Reinforcement Learning From AI Feedback (RLAIF), and Anthropic’s Model Context Protocol (MCP). Plus, Ben shares his thoughts on if we will have Superintelligence by 2028.  Sign up for new podcasts every week. Email feedback to show@no-priors.com Follow us on Twitter: @NoPriorsPod | @Saranormous | @EladGil | @8enmann Links:  ai-2027.com/  Chapters: 00:00 Ben Mann Introduction 00:33 Releasing Claude 4 02:05 Claude 4 Highlights and Improvements 03:42 Advanced Use Cases and Capabilities 06:42 Specialization and Future of AI Models 09:35 Anthropic's Approach to Model Development 18:08 Human Feedback and AI Self-Improvement 19:15 Principles and Correctness in Model Training 20:58 Challenges in Measuring Correctness 21:42 Human Feedback and Preference Models 23:38 Empiricism and Real-World Applications 27:02 AI Safety and Ethical Considerations 28:13 AI Alignment and High-Risk Research 30:01 Responsible Scaling and Safety Policies 35:08 Future of AI and Emerging Behaviors 38:35 Model Context Protocol (MCP) and Industry Standards 41:00 Conclusion

Elad Gil and Sarah Guo guide conversations in No Priors: Artificial Intelligence | Technology | Startups that cut straight to the core of what's happening now. This isn't about abstract futures; it's grounded in dialogues with the very people building and shaping the field-leading AI engineers, pioneering researchers, and the founders turning theory into reality. Each episode tackles the pressing, often daunting questions that define this technological inflection point. You'll hear them explore the practical pathways and hurdles toward AGI, debate which industries are genuinely poised for transformation, and examine how the state-of-the-art in research translates into real-world products and societal shifts. The discussions naturally span the impact on commerce, culture, and the very structure of how we live and work. Produced by Conviction, this podcast serves as an essential, clear-eyed resource for anyone looking to move beyond the hype and understand the forces driving the AI revolution. Sarah Guo, a startup investor, and Elad Gil bring their direct experience to these conversations, ensuring every interview provides substantive insight you can use.
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