Ep 17: BPD Part 5: Quiet Borderline: A Closer Look at Subtypes

Ep 17: BPD Part 5: Quiet Borderline: A Closer Look at Subtypes

Author: Dr. Rebecca Houvener, Psy.D. LCP December 17, 2024 Duration: 37:04
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we continue to explore the complexities of Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), particularly focusing on the lesser-known subtype: Quiet BPD. We delve into the historical origins of the term 'borderline,' discuss the various subtypes of BPD, and highlight the differences between Quiet and Noisy BPD. The conversation also touches on the lack of recent empirical research on Quiet BPD and the cultural emergence of the term. We further emphasize the importance of understanding the internal versus external presentations of BPD symptoms and the implications for treatment. The discussion emphasizes the importance of recognizing the different types of BPD and the need for nuanced understanding in both clinical practice and societal perceptions. Chapters 00:00 BPD Name and Subtypes in History04:32 As-If Patients and Quiet BPD Connection11:09 Quiet BPD and Millon’s Discouraged Type14:44 Current Research on BPD Subtypes   15:52 Internalizing BPD   20:24 Externalizing BPD   25:42 Mixed-Ambivalent BPD31:30 Quiet BPD Today and Subtype Importance34:10 Summary and Closing References Cohen, C. P., & Sherwood, V. R. (1991). Becoming a constant object in psychotherapy with the borderline patient. Jason Aronson. Deutsch, H. (1942). Some forms of emotional disturbance and their relationship to schizophrenia. The Psychoanalytic Quarterly, 11(3), 301-321. https://doi.org/10.1002/j.2167-4086.2007.tb00257.x Gunderson, M. D. (2010). Revising the borderline diagnosis for DSM-V: An alternative proposal. Journal of Personality Disorders, 24, 694–708. Johnston, J. (2010). Being disturbed: Integration and disintegration in the patient and professional relationship. Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy, 24(3), 231-251. https://doi.org/10.1080/02668734.2010.502306 Millon, T. (2011). Disorders of personality: Introducing a DSM / ICD spectrum from normal to abnormal (3rd edition). John Wiley & Sons, Inc. Rosse, I. C. (1890). Clinical evidences of borderland insanity. The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 15(10), 669-683. Sherwood, V. R., & Cohen, C. P. (1994). Psychotherapy of the quiet borderline patient: The as-if personality revisited. Jason Aronson. Stern, A. (1938). Borderline group of neuroses. The Psychoanalytic Quarterly, 7, 467–489. Wolf, K., Scharoba, J., Noack, R., Keller, A., & Weidner, K. (2023). Subtypes of borderline personality disorder in a day-clinic setting—Clinical and therapeutic differences. Personality Disorders: Theory, Research, and Treatment, 14(5), 555–566. https://doi.org/10.1037/per0000624

On the Personality Couch podcast, the subtle and often confusing tensions that shape our daily lives are brought into focus. Hosted by clinical psychologists Dr. Rebecca Houvener (“Doc Bok”) and Dr. Cheyenne Fisher (“Doc Fish”), this conversation moves beyond abstract theory to examine the real-world friction we navigate. Every other week, they take apart those puzzling interactions-the off-kilter feeling with a relative, the unexpected clash with a colleague-and trace them back to their roots in personality structure. Their dialogue is a practical exploration, offering listeners a framework to understand not just others, but their own reactions and patterns. You’ll hear detailed breakdowns of complex relational dynamics, all discussed with the clarity and nuance that comes from clinical expertise. The aim is to provide actionable insight, transforming confusion into comprehension. This isn’t about labeling people; it’s about deciphering the hidden language of human behavior that operates in our friendships, families, workplaces, and broader culture. By tuning in, you gain a shared vocabulary for the unspoken, making sense of the conflicts we all face but don’t always know how to address. The podcast serves as a guide for anyone looking to improve their connections and their own self-awareness, one conversation at a time.
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Ep 23: The 4 Narcissistic Subtypes You Need to Know [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 44:31
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we (licensed clinical psychologists Doc Bok and Doc Fish) explore the complex world of narcissism, focusing on its various subtypes. We unpack grandiose narcissism, its c…
Ep 22: Vulnerable and Grandiose Narcissism | The Mirror Has Two Faces [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 35:25
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we (licensed clinical psychologists Doc Bok and Doc Fish) delve into the complexities of pathological narcissism, exploring its various expressions, including covert, ove…
Ep 21:  Narcissistic Personality Disorder | The 9 Symptoms [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 34:35
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we (licensed clinical psychologists Doc Bok and Doc Fish) delve into the complexities of narcissism and narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). We explore the historical…
Ep 20: Narcissism Gone Bad | 5 Signs Its Pathological [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 34:33
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we (licensed clinical psychologists Doc Bok and Doc Fish) unpack the 5 major signs of pathological narcissism, as well as 3 bonus invisible signs of narcissism. We explor…
Ep 19: Is Narcissism Good? The Surprising Truth About Self-Importance [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 29:30
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we (licensed clinical psychologists Doc Bok and Doc Fish) delve into the complexities of narcissism, exploring its cultural labeling, the distinction between pathological…
Ep 18: The 6 Mental Health Trends: 2024 in Review [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 33:34
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we (licensed clinical psychologists Doc Bok and Doc Fish) explore the cultural and clinical trends of 2024, focusing on global unrest, political polarization, re-examinin…
Ep 16: BPD Part 4: What BPD Therapy Really Looks Like [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 39:45
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we dive into the complexities of Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) treatment, in particular, the healing power of the invisible dynamics in therapy. We discuss the im…
Ep 15: BPD Part 3: Suicidal Behavior and Self Injury [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 39:34
In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we delve into the complexities of Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), focusing on the themes of suicidal ideation and self-harm. We explore the DSM criteria for BPD, t…
Ep 14: BPD Part 2: Fear of Abandonment, Psychosis, and Dissociation [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 31:43
In our second episode of the Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) series, we discuss how this condition manifests in relationships and clinical practice. We explore the pervasive patterns of instability, fear of abandon…