Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Transforming Fear Into Curiosity

Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Transforming Fear Into Curiosity

Author: Thomas Huebl November 25, 2025 Duration: 51:40

How can joy and curiosity help us navigate the most difficult times in our lives?

This week, Thomas is joined once again by Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, a trauma researcher, life coach, and author, to explore how curiosity and imagination are some of our most important and most trainable tools when we’re facing relational conflicts, traumatic experiences, grief and loss, and anxiety inducing news cycles.

It might seem counterintuitive, but these resources give us much needed perspective, help us foster deeper, more genuine connections, and bring awareness to inner patterns that aren’t serving us.


Thomas and Dr. McDonald also discuss the deeply relational nature of trauma, the need for collective awareness and witnessing to bring about healing, breaking cycles, and the complex nature of evil.

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✨ MaryCatherine McDonald, PhD, is a research professor and life coach who specializes in the psychology of trauma, stress, and resilience. She has been researching, lecturing, and publishing on the neuroscience, psychology, and lived experience of trauma and stress for over a decade. She is passionate about destigmatizing trauma, stress, and mental health issues and reframing our understanding of trauma.


Connect with Dr. McDonald here:

👉 https://alchemycoaching.life


Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.


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Author: Language: English Episodes: 100

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