Episode 150: Damon Linker / Tom Waits [Part 1]

Episode 150: Damon Linker / Tom Waits [Part 1]

Author: National Review September 4, 2025 Duration: 2:43:52

Scot and Jeff discuss the first part of Tom Waits’s career (1973-1982) with Damon Linker.

Introducing the Band:
Your hosts Scot Bertram (@ScotBertram) and Jeff Blehar (@EsotericCD) are joined by guest Damon Linker. Damon is a senior lecturer in political science at the University of Pennsylvania, and publishes a Substack newsletter titled “Notes from the Middleground.” Follow him at @DamonLinker on Twitter.

Damon’s Music Pick: Tom Waits
There’s a world going on underground, and Political Beats is here to explore it, in all of its seedy, alcohol sodden, and extremely performative oddity. Yes, its time to begin a journey into the heart of Saturday night, as we explore the career of Tom Waits, one of the modern musical era’s most notably stubborn, and brilliant, eccentrics. It may be difficult to explain the charms of a wrecked-voiced jazz pianist sketching portraits of the dissolute Los Angeles nightlife of the mid-1970s, but during this first part of Waits’s career -- when he climbed out of the Laurel Canyon rock scene to carve his own unique furrow as an affected beat-poet drunkard -- the man’s albums speak for themselves.

During the second half of this two-part Political Beats retrospective, the gang will explore the fearless (and endlessly influential) art-rock musical turn Waits took during the 1980s. And there is true continuity between both phases -- at the end of the day, Tom Waits has never forgotten how to write a beautiful, memorable piano melody. But for now, settle in for a trip as far away from “rock and roll,” in some ways as Political Beats has ever traveled outside of Willie Nelson. Prepare to settle in with a drink and a smoke in a jazz lounge at 1:00 a.m. The night is only just getting started.


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There’s a side to political figures and commentators that rarely makes the headlines-the part of them that lives for music. On Political Beats, hosts Scot Bertram and Jeff Blehar sit down with guests whose lives are steeped in policy and elections, but whose personal soundtracks tell a completely different story. This isn’t a debate about current events; it’s a series of conversations that wander through record collections, formative concert experiences, and the albums that shaped their worldviews. You’ll hear politicians, strategists, and journalists drop the talking points to passionately argue over classic rock deep cuts, the genius of a particular jazz musician, or the raw energy of punk. The result is a surprisingly humanizing look at the people who shape our political discourse, revealing connections between the art they love and the work they do. Each episode of this National Review podcast feels like an informal chat among friends who share a deep, genuine enthusiasm for music’s history and its lasting impact. Tune in for a refreshing blend of cultural history and personal narrative, where the only thing on the agenda is a shared passion for the beats that move us.
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