Ep. 35: Please Play This Song On The Radio (w/ Michael Bathgate and Taylor Hewlett)

Ep. 35: Please Play This Song On The Radio (w/ Michael Bathgate and Taylor Hewlett)

Author: Ben Goodheart, David Provan, Ron Gantt July 9, 2025 Duration: 58:19
Even though they're not really into punk rock, Michael and Taylor from Imperial Oil are pretty badass (and the title of this episode is a NOFX song that Michael somehow remembered, so we'll take it). And they're movie stars in a video from Energy Safety Canada about the 4Ds from Learning Teams, Inc. The Imperial boys are the first to tell you they aren't safety people - they're field ops guys just trying to solve some problems. Pretty fucking punk, right? Shit wasn't going the way it should, so they just figured out what would work. Not perfection, but progress. "If you just go in and do it, and you do it from a place of caring," people are going to be on board. What the hell are the 4Ds Michael and Taylor are talking about (5 if you count Provan, because he's a D for sure)? They're questions about what folks see at work that are dumb, difficult, different, or dangerous. Turns out talking to people about work does some other stuff too: like a 53% reduction in absenteeism and massive increases in time-on-tool productivity. Weird, right? Figuring out how work gets done and addressing it like an adult helps make work suck less. For a lot of people, punk rock is a catalyst for being heard, for building family, and for expressing how they feel. For the teams at Imperial, using something like the 4Ds was a catalyst, too. Sometimes, it identified some problems that looked a whole lot like the supervisors and leaders in the organization. Those are tough conversations (like how bass players and ska bands are the problem a lot of times, too), but the boys took the conversations on and did the hard yards to figure out how to make leadership better. Asking questions isn't the solution, though, and that's why you should check out the rest of the episode. Michael and Taylor have got a lot more to share about how they started learning about performance, labels, and leadership. They're pretty punk without even trying, and that's "The punkest mother fucker I ever did see. Ah hell, he's even more punk than me." Got a NOFX quote in there after all, punks. Shoulda gone for Propaghandi, since they're a Canadian band, but whatever.

Hosts Ben Goodheart, David Provan, and Ron Gantt aren't interested in comfortable safety myths. Their Punk Rock Safety podcast operates on a straightforward, if humbling, premise: many of our most deeply held beliefs about safety in workplaces and organizations are fundamentally flawed, and we've all likely absorbed a few. This isn't about intelligence, but about the sheer volume of misguided concepts that dominate the field. Each episode is a direct conversation between the three, dissecting these pervasive ideas with a blend of practical experience and critical thinking drawn from management, social science, and business. You'll hear them challenge dogma, question standard procedures that sound good but don't work, and argue for a more realistic, human-centered approach. The tone is conversational and often irreverent, but the goal is serious-to cut through the noise and replace empty safety rhetoric with something more substantive and effective. Tuning into this podcast means joining a discussion that prioritizes honest inquiry over easy answers, all in the service of creating environments where people are genuinely protected.
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Ep. 29: Wolves in Wolves’ Clothing [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 53:51
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Ep. 28: Insulted By Germans (Again) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 49:45
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Ep. 27: Eat The Meek [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 55:26
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Ep. 26: Anarchy in the U(S) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 50:06
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Ep. 25: Safety Is Easy (Like Your Mom) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 57:28
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Ep. 24: Digging A Hole For Myself (With Josh Bryant) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 57:46
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Ep. 23: Los Angeles is Burning [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 54:19
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Ep. 22: The Idiots Are Taking Over [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 59:09
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Ep. 21: Do They Owe Us a Living? [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 52:56
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Ep. 20: I'm So Sorry Tony [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 53:34
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