RS349: Ranking In ChatGPT with Devesh Khanal

RS349: Ranking In ChatGPT with Devesh Khanal

Author: RogueStartups September 3, 2025 Duration: 1:03:42
Today on Rogue Startups, Craig sits with Devesh Khanal from Grow and Convert to talk about how to get your brand showing up at the top of search results in LLMs. They dive deep into the world of AI SEO—covering everything from debunking myths about large language models to sharing actionable strategies for ranking your content in both Google and AI-driven search tools. Devesh is the “convert” side of Grow and Convert. In addition to co-founding the company, he runs Growth Rock, a conversion optimization agency that helps e-commerce brands increase online sales through user research, usability testing, analytics evaluations, and A/B testing. Before launching into the marketing world, Devesh worked on financial strategy and cost modeling for a biofuels startup—and he also holds a Ph.D. in Materials Science and Engineering from U.C. Berkeley. Highlights from Craig and Devesh’s conversation: Bottom-of-funnel SEO vs. top-of-funnel queries How to use LLMs as a marketing tool Debunking common myths about LLMs in SEO Does community content promotion (like Reddit) actually work? The correlation between Google rankings and LLM results Identifying customer pain points and achieving product–market fit Why to avoid “fluff” writers and generic AI writing tools Resources and Links from This Episode: Devesh Khanal on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deveshkhanal/  Grow and Convert: https://www.growandconvert.com/  Email me: podcast@roguestartups.com  Find me on Twitter: @TheCraigHewitt If you feel like Rogue Startups has benefited you, and it might benefit someone else, please share it with them. If you have a chance, give Rogue Startups a review on iTunes.  Do you have any comments, questions, or topic ideas for future episodes? Feel free to reach out to me: Twitter: @TheCraigHewitt LinkedIn:

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RS347: How to Rank Any Brand In AI Results [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:34
This week on Rogue Startups, Craig chats with Mike Buckbee from Knowatoa about how AI is changing the game for brands. With tools like ChatGPT taking over the way we search and discover businesses, Mike breaks down what…
RS346: What 11 Years in SaaS Really Looks Like [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 48:49
In this episode of the podcast, Craig sits down with longtime entrepreneur Colin Bartlett, cofounder of StatusGator, to explore what it really takes to build, and sustain, a SaaS business over the long haul. With more th…
RS345: The State Of Search 2025 [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 18:27
- LLMs.txt article: https://www.quoleady.com/llm-txt-files/ - Craig's YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@thecraighewitt
RS344: 12 Years to Overnight Success with Amar Ghose [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:27
What does it really take to lead a company for over a decade—and still be growing? In this episode, Craig chats with Amar Ghose, founder and longtime CEO of ZenMaid, about the challenges, lessons, and evolution that come…
A Caffeine Infused Diatribe [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 46:59
Hello, remember me? Sorry that it's been 6 weeks, but I'm back. In this episode I talk through what I've been up to recently, what's going on with Castos, with myself personally, and things I'm learning growing the busin…
RS342: SaaS Survival Mode - AI, Niches & Navigating Chaos [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 45:12
In this episode of Rogue Startups, Craig chats with Jesse Hanley, marketer, self-taught developer, and founder of Bento, a powerful email marketing platform for modern teams. With today’s economy in flux and global event…
RS341: Microconf 2025 Recap [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 17:48
Craig recaps his biggest takeaways from MicroConf 2025, reflecting on lessons in positioning, lead generation, conference ROI, and the power of going all in on what’s working. From tactical marketing insights to personal…
RS340: Is AI Killing SaaS w/ Tim Schumacher [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 43:00
In this episode of Rogue Startups, Craig sits down with founder and entrepreneur Tim Schumacher to discuss his insights on AI, the future of SaaS, and what makes a company successful. In 2001, Tim co-founded Sedo.com, th…
RS339: AI Skeptic, or Believer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 47:49
In today’s episode, Craig chats with Anthony Eden from DNSimple about how they use AI in their businesses and their personal lives. As early skeptics of AI, they do a deep dive into what made them change their minds, wha…
RS338:  Balancing Your Use of AI with Aaron Francis [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 52:12
Ever wonder what's happening behind the scenes when your dev team says they're "leveraging AI"? As a non-technical founder, you don't need to understand every line of code, but knowing how AI is actually being used in yo…