209 - Unbecoming Ourselves (with Heather Schenck)

209 - Unbecoming Ourselves (with Heather Schenck)

Author: Noah Rasheta July 30, 2025 Duration: 50:14

In this special interview episode, I sit down with my friend and fellow traveler on the path, Heather Schenck. Many of you may recognize Heather from our online community—she’s been part of our Sangha since 2020. What began as a personal journey through suffering and self-inquiry has now culminated in the release of her first book, Unbecoming Ourselves.


Heather shares the deeply personal story behind her book—how her identity as a nurse, mother, and “good person” created a cycle of striving and self-judgment, and how Buddhist teachings like groundlessness, impermanence, and the nature of suffering helped her begin to loosen her grip on those labels. Together, we explore the difference between who we are and who we think we should be, and how compassion, curiosity, and mindfulness can guide us back to a more authentic way of being.


We also talk about the sneaky nature of all-pervasive suffering, how perfectionism often disguises itself as growth, and how to skillfully work with the inner narrator many of us carry. Whether you’ve struggled with self-worth, identity, or perfectionism, this conversation offers powerful insights and gentle encouragement to soften around the stories we tell ourselves.


Heather’s book Unbecoming Ourselves is available now on Amazon. Learn more about her work and upcoming courses at aheartawakened.com.

Explore more at eightfoldpath.com: full transcripts, guided meditations, courses, and Noah AI, an AI you can chat with about any episode or teaching.


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Noah Rasheta hosts Secular Buddhism, a space where ancient teachings meet a modern, questioning mind. This isn't about ritual or dogma, but about exploring the practical philosophy at the heart of Buddhist thought. Each episode takes a core concept-like impermanence, suffering, or mindfulness-and examines it through a secular lens, asking how these ideas can resonate with our contemporary lives regardless of personal belief. You'll hear straightforward discussions that strip away cultural and religious trappings to focus on actionable wisdom. The aim is to make these teachings accessible and relevant, offering tools for cultivating resilience, compassion, and a clearer understanding of oneself in a complex world. Whether you're navigating stress, seeking ethical frameworks, or simply curious about a philosophy of mind, this podcast provides thoughtful commentary that connects ancient insight to everyday experience. Tune in for a grounded, conversational approach to finding calm and clarity.
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