What to Do When Teachers Are at Very Different Places With AI

What to Do When Teachers Are at Very Different Places With AI

Author: Jeff Utecht & Tricia Friedman January 26, 2026 Duration: 31:10

How do you move forward with AI in schools when staff confidence is all over the place?

Jeff Utecht and Tricia Friedman address one of the most persistent leadership challenges in AI literacy implementation. Within the same faculty, some educators are experimenting confidently with tools and workflows while others feel intimidated, skeptical, or frustrated by rapid change.

Jeff and Tricia frame the issue through a mindset-first lens and introduce practical leadership moves grounded in BAKE: balance, adaptability, knowledge sharing, and empathy. The conversation begins with a simple leadership truth: confidence grows through a beginner's stance, repetition, and low-stakes practice, not perfection on day one. Tricia shares a "pumpkin patch" analogy for learning something new and models how leaders can normalize experimentation and productive struggle for staff.

From there, the episode explores how leaders can reduce anxiety and build confidence by "level setting" foundational understanding of how AI works. When teachers grasp what is happening under the hood, they are more willing to engage, ask better questions, and try new workflows.

A central theme is personalization. Confidence increases when educators connect AI learning to what they already love about teaching, then use AI to enhance that strength rather than asking teachers to adopt tools for their own sake. The hosts also highlight the importance of playful, low-stakes experimentation outside of school contexts, from recipe support to pop-culture research challenges, as a way to learn tool boundaries without the pressure of classroom performance.

The episode closes with a clear leadership stance: sustained learning matters. AI capabilities are changing quickly, so professional learning cannot be treated as a one-time training. Adaptability requires ongoing documentation of experiments, time-stamped learning, and renewed emphasis on media literacy as AI becomes more persuasive and more embedded in everyday life.

If you are leading AI literacy in a school or district and trying to support both early adopters and hesitant educators, this episode offers a grounded approach to building momentum without fracturing culture.

In this episode, you will hear about leading AI literacy when teacher confidence varies widely, progress over perfection and the beginner's stance, differentiated professional learning for AI, foundational understanding of how AI works, low-stakes experimentation that increases staff buy-in, balancing voices of early adopters and skeptics, adaptability as AI tools evolve, and mindset-first change management through the BAKE Framework.

Explore the BAKE resources and multiple ways to engage, including a four-week email series, PLC slide decks, a live cohort, and school-wide implementation:

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00:00
Welcome and Series Context
Jeff frames the third and final BAKE episode and names the core leadership question about uneven staff confidence.

01:30
Why Confidence Gaps Are Normal When Learning Something New
Using the beginner's stance and the pumpkin patch example to normalize discomfort and learning curves.

03:30
Progress Over Perfection in Teaching and Leadership
Why educators often expect mastery too quickly and how modeling learning matters.

05:30
The Leadership Challenge of Mixed AI Confidence
High flyers, hesitant staff, and the tension leaders feel managing both groups.

08:00
Level Setting: How Understanding AI Builds Confidence
Why explaining how AI works reduces fear and increases willingness to engage.

10:30
Passion-Based Entry Points for AI Learning
Connecting AI use to what educators already love doing in their work.

13:00
Playful, Low-Stakes AI Experiments
Using non-school examples to explore AI without pressure or risk.

15:30
Pop Culture as a Confidence Builder
The Taylor Swift research experiment and why interest drives learning.

18:00
Abundance of Information and Better Questions
Why confidence grows when educators move from answers to inquiry.

20:00
Empathy First: Leading With BAKE
Starting with empathy before tools, expertise, or expectations.

21:45
Knowledge Sharing Inside and Outside the Classroom
Why sharing personal AI use builds collective confidence.

23:15
Adaptability in a Fast-Changing AI Landscape
Why AI learning must be ongoing, time-stamped, and revisited.

25:15
Balance: Creating Space for All Voices
Supporting both skeptics and early adopters through reciprocal dialogue.

27:15
Key Takeaways and Next Steps
Mindset-first leadership, community, and how schools can engage further with BAKE.

 


Ever feel like the conversation around education moves faster than a school day? Shifting Schools: Conversations for K12 Educators is here to slow things down just enough for a meaningful dialogue. Hosted by practicing educators Jeff Utecht and Tricia Friedman, this podcast creates a necessary space for teachers and administrators to dig into the real work of modern teaching. Instead of just theory, you’ll hear from fellow practitioners and thought leaders who are navigating the same challenges you face daily. The discussions move beyond surface-level trends to unpack practical strategies and tools that can be adapted for your own classroom or school. Whether it’s rethinking assessment, integrating technology with purpose, or fostering a more inclusive learning environment, each episode is grounded in the shared goal of improving outcomes for every student. Tuning in feels less like another professional development requirement and more like a candid staff room conversation with colleagues who get it. This is where the abstract ideas about educational change meet the concrete reality of the K-12 world, offering actionable insights for anyone committed to the craft of teaching. Find Shifting Schools wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts for a regular dose of perspective and practical ideas.
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