684. Thief of Night with Holly Black

684. Thief of Night with Holly Black

Author: Sarah Wendell September 12, 2025 Duration: 58:42

The second book in Holly Black’s Night duology, Thief of Night, is out now, and I was so excited to talk with her about it.We start right off by talking about creepy places – like, what kind of magic comes out of Jersey?


Then we talk about world building, starting with atmosphere instead of plot, and the intricacies of shadow magic in her duology. Plus, we squee about books we’ve loved, magic powers we wish we had, and Kelly Clarkson.


Truly, if you’re writing romance, this episode contains many pieces of advice and perspective – it’s a banger.


Remember: you can’t hide from your own secrets.


You can find Holly Black at her website, BlackHolly.com, where you can sign up for her newsletter, and on Instagram.

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