Belonging & Collective Action: Viet Thanh Nguyen + Thao Nguyen

Belonging & Collective Action: Viet Thanh Nguyen + Thao Nguyen

Author: Ben Arthur December 30, 2025 Duration: 49:16

Pulitzer Prize-winning author Viet Thanh Nguyen (The Sympathizer) gives a talk about belonging at a live performance at the Litquake Festival. San Francisco State University’s Dr. Russell Jeung speaks about founding Stop AAPI Hate and Asian identity and belonging. He describes how the pandemic seems to have revived and strengthened longstanding hate towards Asian Americans, and explains his term for collective action against this, “flocking.” Thao Nguyen (of the Get Down Stay Down) plays a new song called “Keep It Moving.”

Chapters:
00:04:58
Viet Thanh Nguyen speaks about belonging at a live event during in San Francisco.
00:27:05
Dr. Russell Jeung speaks about his research on belonging, collective action, and the founding of Stop AAPI Hate.
00:40:20
Thao Nguyen introduces her new song.

SongWriterPodcast.com
Instagram.com/SongWriterPodcast
Facebook.com/SongWriterPodcast
TikTok.com/@SongWriterPodcast
YouTube.com/@SongwriterPodcast

SongWriter is a music and songwriting podcast that turns stories into songs. Host Ben Arthur invites writers, poets, and musicians to share a story or poem, then pairs it with an original song written in response. Along the way, the show explores the creative process through intimate conversations and performances. Guests have included Questlove, Susan Orlean, David Gilmour, David Sedaris, George Saunders, and many more. Distributed by PRX, SongWriter also appears on the syndicated radio program Acoustic Café and in Paste Magazine. Learn more at SongWriterPodcast.com

Season seven is made possible by a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation


There’s a certain magic in hearing a story and then, moments later, hearing that same story transformed into a completely new song. That’s the experience at the heart of SongWriter turns stories into songs, hosted by Ben Arthur. Each episode begins with a celebrated author-voices like Joyce Carol Oates, George Saunders, or David Sedaris-sharing a personal narrative, a fragment of memory, or a crafted tale. Then, a musician-from legends like Steve Earle to innovators like Questlove-takes that raw material and, often in real time, shapes it into an original piece of music. What unfolds is a rare, intimate look at the creative alchemy between two art forms. You’re not just getting a story and a song; you’re sitting in on the fascinating conversation in between, where Ben Arthur guides you through the decisions, the surprises, and the emotions that guide a narrative into melody and lyric. This podcast is a celebration of collaboration, revealing how the same idea can resonate so differently through words alone and then through chords and a chorus. It’s for anyone curious about where songs come from and how a great story can echo in entirely new ways.
Author: Language: English Episodes: 97

SongWriter turns stories into songs
Podcast Episodes
Joyce Carol Oates + Ali Sethi [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 30:16
At a live performance at Queens College, legendary author Joyce Carol Oates reads a piece about her beloved late husband Charlie Gross, called “Hospice / Honeymoon.” Psychologist and author Dr. Allison Applebaum talks ab…
Susan Orlean + Diana Gameros [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 41:45
At a live performance at KQED in San Francisco, bestselling author and New Yorker staff writer Susan Orlean tells a story about homing pigeons, and the heartbreaking implications of their extraordinary intelligence. Rese…
Season 6 Trailer [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 1:46
Season 6 is here, with the return of friends like Joyce Carol Oates and Susan Orlean, and new ones like W. Kamau Bell, Imbolo Mbue, Crys Matthews, and Ali Sethi! Episode 1 is out July 2nd
Pre-Season Six Bonus Episode [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 10:29
Bonus episode! News of the mildly delayed season six, as well as some upcoming live shows, including:5/11 Joyce Carol Oates + Ali Sethi with special guests Tony Trischka and Dr. Allison Applebaum at LeFrak Concert Hall i…
David Sedaris + Jacob Ewald (Slaughter Beach, Dog) [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 29:36
Bestselling author David Sedaris reads an excerpt from Theft By Finding, a collection of his diaries from when he was a young artist. Jacob Ewald of the pop indie band Slaughter Beach, Dog (and formerly Modern Baseball)…
Raven Leilani + Elysian Fields [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 29:55
Bestselling author Raven Leilani reads an excerpt of her short story “Breathing Exercise,” and talks about art, racism, and carnality in her work. Raven shares how her brother – who died of ALS – introduced her to art, a…
George Saunders + Ben Arthur [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 45:51
This is part one of a two-part episode featuring "Sea Oak" by George Saunders. Part one contains a song written by Ben Arthur, Vienna Teng, and George Saunders; Part two contains a new song written by Craig Finn.Bestsell…
George Saunders + Craig Finn [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 46:12
This is part one of a two-part episode featuring "Sea Oak" by George Saunders. Part one contains a song written by Ben Arthur, Vienna Teng, and George Saunders; Part two contains the song written by Craig Finn.Bestsellin…
Dave Eggers + Vienna Teng [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 36:09
Bestselling author, screenwriter, and founder of McSweeney’s, Dave Eggers reads an excerpt from his short story, “The Museum of Rain,” and talks about the way music informs his creative process. Dave says the song Vienna…
Andrew Sean Greer + Torquil Campbell & Daniel Handler [not-audio_url] [/not-audio_url]

Duration: 37:36
Andrew Sean Greer won the Pulitzer Prize for his comic novel, Less. For this episode he reads an excerpt from the follow up book, Less is Lost, and describes how he thinks of the book as more serious than many readers. F…