Ben Okri + Matshidiso

Ben Okri + Matshidiso

Author: Ben Arthur December 17, 2024 Duration: 1:06:50

Poet, author, and playwright Ben Okri reads his story “A Wrinkle in the Realm,” and talks about music and dream logic. Stanford’s Dr. Tomás Jiménez speaks about polarization, belonging, and empathy. And podcaster and songwriter Matshidiso returns to SongWriter, and co-writes a song with Ben Okri

You can hear Matshidiso's recent single, Dreams, and her first episode  with Charlie Gilmour, and songs Ben Okri co-wrote with Damon Albarn (Gorillaz, Blur) and Tony Allen, Cosmosis, and with Harper Simon, Wishes and Stars

A playlist of Ben Arthur's songs featured in season six (as instrumentals or written as a response to an episode) can be found on Apple Music or Spotify

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Season six is made possible by a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation


There’s a certain magic in hearing a story and then, moments later, hearing that same story transformed into a completely new song. That’s the experience at the heart of SongWriter turns stories into songs, hosted by Ben Arthur. Each episode begins with a celebrated author-voices like Joyce Carol Oates, George Saunders, or David Sedaris-sharing a personal narrative, a fragment of memory, or a crafted tale. Then, a musician-from legends like Steve Earle to innovators like Questlove-takes that raw material and, often in real time, shapes it into an original piece of music. What unfolds is a rare, intimate look at the creative alchemy between two art forms. You’re not just getting a story and a song; you’re sitting in on the fascinating conversation in between, where Ben Arthur guides you through the decisions, the surprises, and the emotions that guide a narrative into melody and lyric. This podcast is a celebration of collaboration, revealing how the same idea can resonate so differently through words alone and then through chords and a chorus. It’s for anyone curious about where songs come from and how a great story can echo in entirely new ways.
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