The Echo of Theodicy: Kaveh Akbar + Jamila Woods

The Echo of Theodicy: Kaveh Akbar + Jamila Woods

Author: Ben Arthur January 13, 2026 Duration: 34:41

At a live show at Metro in Chicago, bestselling author Kaveh Akbar reads a poem about empathy that he wrote for Jamila Woods. Jamila and Kaveh are old friends, and they discuss empathy in a brutal world, and the echo within questions of theodicy. The University of Chicago’s Dr. Eman Abdelhadi speaks about community, empathy, and belonging, and about her speculative fiction novel Everything for Everyone. Jamila Woods finishes the episode with the premiere of a brand new song called "Ordinary As Air."
The show was a fundraiser for A Long Walk Home, a local non-profit that provides opportunities for girls and young women.

Chapters
00:01:34
Kaveh Akbar introduces a poem he wrote for Jamila Woods
00:05:26
Dr. Eman Abdelhadi talks about her research on empathy
26:29:39
Jamila Woods introduces her new song

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SongWriter is a music and songwriting podcast that turns stories into songs. Host Ben Arthur invites writers, poets, and musicians to share a story or poem, then pairs it with an original song written in response. Along the way, the show explores the creative process through intimate conversations and performances. Guests have included Questlove, Susan Orlean, David Gilmour, David Sedaris, George Saunders, and many more. Distributed by PRX, SongWriter also appears on the syndicated radio program Acoustic Café and in Paste Magazine. Learn more at SongWriterPodcast.com

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There’s a certain magic in hearing a story and then, moments later, hearing that same story transformed into a completely new song. That’s the experience at the heart of SongWriter turns stories into songs, hosted by Ben Arthur. Each episode begins with a celebrated author-voices like Joyce Carol Oates, George Saunders, or David Sedaris-sharing a personal narrative, a fragment of memory, or a crafted tale. Then, a musician-from legends like Steve Earle to innovators like Questlove-takes that raw material and, often in real time, shapes it into an original piece of music. What unfolds is a rare, intimate look at the creative alchemy between two art forms. You’re not just getting a story and a song; you’re sitting in on the fascinating conversation in between, where Ben Arthur guides you through the decisions, the surprises, and the emotions that guide a narrative into melody and lyric. This podcast is a celebration of collaboration, revealing how the same idea can resonate so differently through words alone and then through chords and a chorus. It’s for anyone curious about where songs come from and how a great story can echo in entirely new ways.
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