Our Goal in Life Should Not Be Happiness. But What Should It Be Instead?

Ever find yourself in a conversation that starts with a simple question and then spirals into something wonderfully unexpected? That’s the feeling you get with Talk About That. Hosted by John Driver, a writer and former history teacher, and his best friend, the comedian Jonnie W., this podcast captures the dynamic of two friends who genuinely love to dig into ideas. Their backgrounds as Christian comedy creatives inform their perspective, but the discussions are far from one-note. You’ll hear them weave between a historical deep dive, a breakdown of a current cultural moment, and a personal story about faith, all threaded together with a consistent, warm humor. The result is a series of conversations that feel both hilariously real and surprisingly insightful, precisely because they aren’t trying to force a point. Listening feels like pulling up a chair at a coffee shop with two of the most engaging, quirky thinkers you know. Each episode of this podcast is a reminder that the biggest topics-life, belief, history, and what’s happening right now-are best explored with curiosity, friendship, and a good laugh. It’s that rare blend of cerebral and accessible, where genuine insight comes packaged in genuine comedy.