Building the Gilroy: Old Barnwell's Second Course

Building the Gilroy: Old Barnwell's Second Course

Author: NewClub Golf Society August 10, 2026 Duration: 1:05:07

What does a piece of land owe the people around it once the golf stops paying for itself?

In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Blake Conant (golf course architect; co-designer of Old Barnwell and the Gilroy) to talk about the second course he is building in the dirt right now — and the master's thesis he wrote a decade earlier arguing that some golf courses should stop being golf courses.


The conversation dives into:

  • Why a painting degree and three months running equipment with Tom Doak at Dismal River turned out to be the right education for golf architecture
  • Building the Gilroy next door to a course everybody already loves, and the Snoop Dogg rule Blake uses to keep from chasing it
  • The 90-acre parcel Nick Schreiber bought so the routing would work, and why Blake says architects are simply greedy
  • A kids course with a tunnel and a ramp, built on Brian Schneider's premise that kids do not actually want to putt
  • The 2013 thesis on bankrupt courses: what Blake got right about supply, what he missed about demand, and why the courses that closed were the wrong ones
  • The arithmetic that decides whether affordable public golf gets built at all — roughly ten dollars of green fee for every million spent

Connect with our guest

🎨 Blake Conant — https://www.dundeegolf.com/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/Dundee_Golf — | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dundeegolf/ | 💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/blake-conant-90566a37/

⛳️ Old Barnwell — https://oldbarnwell.com


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Chapters

00:00 "Make sure your first one is your worst one"

00:49 Welcome, and kudos to the R&A for actually enforcing the rules

04:19 Who Blake Conant is, and how the Professor found him

07:45 Teaching of the week: "Build a Course Today" and the overbuild

09:30 Titleist Vokey SM11

11:11 Conant, Conant, or Conan the Barbarian

12:18 House paint, big canvases, and actually selling art

14:44 Art school to landscape architecture to Dismal River

17:42 The doubts he probably should have had

19:20 Following Old Barnwell: the Snoop Dogg rule

20:53 Was a second course always the plan?

23:12 Nick Schreiber, and hiring people you then leave alone

27:19 The kids course: they don't actually want to putt

29:56 Tunnels, ramps, and a train that isn't there yet

30:37 Who the Gilroy is for, and greens that sit on the ground

33:11 Still testing the good player, just differently

34:41 Buying the purple parcel

37:09 Buy the land before anybody knows you're building

38:59 The 2013 thesis on bankrupt golf courses

41:58 What are we measuring: social, environmental, economic

47:39 The wrong courses closed

48:58 Repurposing, HOAs, and grand ideas that don't pencil

51:05 Should a new project pass the test before opening day?

52:49 Golf as a Trojan horse: programming, foundation, community

55:45 Aiken's building boom and a healthy kind of competition

59:38 The public course he'd like to build without donors

1:03:49 Wrap and thanks


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The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf.



There's a whole world of stories that never make it to the leaderboard or the final green, and that's exactly where The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf finds its voice. This isn't just a series about swings and scores; it's a weekly exploration of the people, places, and moments that truly define the game's rich culture. You'll hear from greenkeepers, historians, passionate amateurs, and tour veterans, all sharing perspectives that go far beyond the typical post-round interview. Produced by the NewClub Golf Society, the podcast is built on a foundation of authentic conversation, digging into the connections between life on and off the course. Every episode feels like pulling up a chair in the clubhouse after a round, where the talk is as much about character as it is about character. It’s for anyone who feels that golf is about more than just a number on a card-it's about community, legacy, and the unexpected lessons found in a walk across eighteen holes. Tune in for thoughtful, often surprising discussions that remind us why this game continues to captivate so many.
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