274: The Cloud Pod is Still Not Open Source

Welcome to episode 274 of The Cloud Pod, where the forecast is always cloudy! Justin, Ryan and Matthew are your hosts this week as we explore the world of SnapShots, Maia, Open Source, and VMware – just to name a few of the topics. And stay tuned for an installment of our continuing Cloud Journey Series to explore ways to decrease tech debt, all this week on The Cloud Pod.  

Titles we almost went with this week:

• The Cloud Pod in Parallel Cluster
• The Cloud Pod cringes at managing 1000 aws accounts
• The Cloud Pod welcomes Imagen 3 with less Wokeness
• The Cloud Pod wants to be instantly snapshotted
• The Cloud pod hates tech debt

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General News

00:32 Elasticsearch is Open Source, Again

• • Shay Banon is pleased to call ElasticSearch and Kibana “open source” again.  He says everyone at Elastic is ecstatic to be open source again, it’s part of his and “Elastics DNA.” 
  • They’re doing this by adding AGPL as another license option next to ELv2 and SSPL in the coming weeks. 
  • They never stopped believing or behaving like an OSS company after they changed the license, but by being able to use the term open source and by using AGPL – an OSI approved license – removes any questions or fud people might have. 
  • Shay says the change 3 years ago was because they had issues with AWS and the market confusion their offering was causing. 
    • So, after trying all the other options, changing the license – all while knowing it would result in a fork with a different name – was the path they took. 
  • While it was painful, they said it worked. 
    • 3 years later, Amazon is fully invested in their OpenSearch fork, the market confusion has mostly gone, and their partnership with AWS is stronger than ever.
    • They are even being named partner of the year with AWS. 
  • They want to “make life of our users as simple as possible,” so if you’re ok with the ELv2 or the SSPL, then you can keep using that license. They aren’t removing anything, just giving you another option with AGPL.
  • He calls out trolls and people who will pick at this announcement, so they are attempting to address the trolls in advance. 

• “Changing the license was a mistake, and Elastic now backtracks from it”. We removed a lot of market confusion when we changed our license 3 years ago. And because of our actions, a lot has changed. It’s an entirely different landscape now. We aren’t living in the past. We want to build a better future for our users. It’s because we took action then, that we are in a position to take action now.

• “AGPL is not true open source, license X is