TCC Podcast #466: A New Kind of Copywriting Business with Krystle Church

TCC Podcast #466: A New Kind of Copywriting Business with Krystle Church

Author: Rob Marsh September 23, 2025 Duration: 1:00:14

Writing for clients is just one way to build a copywriting business. Once you’ve done that for a while, you may decide it’s not right for you. So what does the alternative look like? I invited copywriter Krystle Church to join for for the 266th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk about that and a lot more. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.

 

Stuff to check out:

Krystle’s Email List
The Copywriter Club Facebook Group
The Copywriter Underground
Research Mastery

 

Partial Transcript:

Rob Marsh: When your business stops working for you, what can you do to fix things? This is The Copywriter Club Podcast.

There are a lot of copywriters who build a successful business writing for clients. Or maybe they build an agency around their offers and niche. But then after a few years they don’t love the business they created for themselves. Sometime we just burn out and need to do something a bit different. Maybe they no longer want employees or contractors. Maybe they get tired of working directly with clients. Maybe they realize that instead of using their skills to attract customers to other peoples businesses, they decide to use their skills to sell products to their own clients. And then many of us are entrepreneurs at heart and have always wanted to build a business other than writing for a list of clients. Shifting a business from offering services to clients to something else can be a challenge.

It’s a very different kind of work. Instead of creating assets for clients, you may spend your time creating assets for your own business, then spending even more time getting attention for your offers.

For many copywriters, this is the dream—a copywriting business with customers instead of clients.

But there’s a lot of work that goes into a business switch like this. Validating offers. Finding a client base for your offers—which is almost certainly a very different set of clients than you’ve been writing for. Building out marketing systems to sell your new products. Figuring out how to deliver value when you’re not actually delivering copy.

I wanted to talk about this with someone who’s gone through the process recently. So I invited copywriter and coach Krystle Church to come back to the podcast and talk about the changes she’s made to her business over the past couple of years. The business Krystle has today is very different from the one she was running two years ago. She’s excited about the new direction and having more fun than when she was burning out with a calendar full of projects that required her attention from the time she woke up until she went to bed at night.

If you’ve been thinking about re-imagining your business, this episode may give you a few ideas to try. You’ll get a few tips about validating a new offer. And you might even decide to dabble with an offer for your niche that at least gives you a taste of what a different kind of business would feel like. This kind of business isn’t for everyone. In fact, it’s probably not for most copywriters. But it’s worth thinking about how you might be able to add to or change your business so it fits your needs a bit better.

Before we get to my discussion with Krystle, this episode is brought to you by Research Mastery. Research Mastery is the one-stop program or course that will change your writing for the better. Instead of just organizing words, you’ll have the tools and strategies you need to truly understand your customer so they relate to your offer and buy more often. Research Mastery digs into the 4 critical areas of research… if you miss one of them, your research just isn’t complete. And it includes the A.I. tools you need to do research faster, more effectively, and more profitably. You can learn more about this unqiue program at thecopywriterclub.com/researchmastery 

And now my interview with Krystle Church.


Hosted by Rob Marsh, The Copywriter Club Podcast is a deep, ongoing conversation about the craft and business of writing for a living. It moves beyond simple tips to explore the real-world strategies, creative processes, and sometimes unorthodox habits that successful copywriters use to build thriving careers. Each episode is a focused discussion, pulling back the curtain on how top professionals in marketing, advertising, and direct response approach their work, solve client problems, and find their unique voice in a crowded field. You'll hear candid talk about pricing, client relationships, creative blocks, and the daily routines that lead to consistent output. This isn't about theoretical advice; it's a practical resource for anyone looking to sharpen their skills, find better projects, and run a more sustainable writing business. The underlying theme is always actionable insight-ideas and habits worth stealing from top copywriters. By listening to this podcast, you gain access to a community and a mindset focused on continuous improvement, whether you're a seasoned freelancer or just starting to explore the possibilities of professional writing. The conversations are detailed, often nuanced, and always aimed at providing tangible value you can apply directly to your own work and goals.
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