A Four-Stack Pod, talking stacking assets with Return Stacked ETFs

A Four-Stack Pod, talking stacking assets with Return Stacked ETFs

Author: RCM Alternatives March 20, 2025 Duration: 1:31:00

This episode of the podcast piles on the knowledge about "return stacking" - the investment approach that lets you layer alternative assets and strategies on top of your traditional portfolio, like a perfect investment sandwich. 

Jeff Malec has stacked the deck with FOUR financial heavyweights - Mike Philbrick, Rodrigo Gordillo, Adam Butler, and Corey Hoffstein - each showcasing a "return stacking" ETF. We’ve brought together this team of experts to give you the blueprint for this innovative investment method.

So, what’s the deal with return stacking? Think of it as the ultimate portfolio hack—layering alternative asset classes and strategies on top of your traditional stock and bond holdings. No need to shuffle things around or ditch your core positions—just stack those extra return streams like the ultimate investing sandwich.

We’ll dig into the risk/return profiles and how these stacked strategies can take your portfolio to new heights. But wait, there’s more! To keep things light, we’re making our guests put their friendships on the line in a spirited round of "Choose Your Fighter"—because who doesn’t love a little friendly fire?

Stack up, tune in, and SEND IT!


Chapters:

00:00–01:11 = Intro

01:12- 20:00 = Return Stacking: Upgrading Portfolios Without Disrupting Core Holdings

20:01- 41:47 = Stacking Stocks and Managed Futures for Diversification

41:48- 01:03:10 = Capturing Futures Yield Through Return Stacking
01:03:11- 01:31:00 = Stacking Bonds and Merger Arbitrage for Enhanced ReturnsAll things Return Stacking: Stacks on Stacks

Return Stacking: From Theory to Practice - A 2024 Perspective - Blog post

Researching the Risks of return stacking with Corey Hoffstein & Rodrigo Gordillo – The Derivative episode - Podcast
What is Return Stacking? - Blog post

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For investors looking beyond the traditional stock and bond markets, The Derivative offers a deep and practical exploration of the alternative investment landscape. Hosted by RCM Managing Partner Jeff Malec, this podcast demystifies complex strategies and brings listeners directly into conversations with the hedge fund managers and specialized investors who navigate these unique asset classes. Each episode breaks down the mechanics, risks, and opportunities behind non-traditional investments, from managed futures and private equity to niche market strategies. The discussions are grounded in real-world analysis, moving beyond theory to examine what actually drives performance and strategy in this dynamic corner of finance. By focusing on the people and ideas shaping the field, The Derivative provides an insider's perspective that is both educational and actionable. Listeners gain a clearer understanding of portfolio diversification and the tactical approaches used by professional fund managers. This podcast serves as a valuable resource for anyone seeking to comprehend the broader, often opaque world of alternatives, delivered through straightforward dialogue and expert commentary. Tune in for a focused and insightful ride through the strategies that define alternative investing.
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